Find the Flight Time of a Dart Shot from 1.5m Above Ground | Derivative Question

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The discussion revolves around finding the flight time of a dart shot from a height of 1.5 meters above ground level, using a quadratic equation that describes the dart's height over time. Participants explore the relationship between height, time, and velocity, while addressing the conditions for the dart hitting the ground.

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  • A participant presents the height equation for the dart, d(t) = -4.9t^2 + 20t + 1.5, and asks how long the dart is in the air.
  • Another participant inquires about the height value corresponding to ground level.
  • A participant provides the velocity of the dart one second after being shot and calculates the maximum height reached by the dart.
  • Some participants confirm the correctness of earlier answers regarding velocity and maximum height.
  • One participant expresses difficulty in solving the final part of the question using derivatives.
  • Another participant suggests that the height must be set to zero to find when the dart hits the ground.
  • A participant clarifies the notation used in the equations and outlines the steps to find the time T when the dart reaches ground level.

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Participants generally agree on the correctness of the earlier calculations regarding velocity and maximum height. However, there is no consensus on the final solution for the flight time, as some participants express uncertainty and seek clarification.

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Some participants note the need for careful notation when distinguishing between variable and fixed values in the equations. There is also a mention of the requirement for T to be greater than zero when solving for the time the dart hits the ground.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in physics, particularly those studying projectile motion and the application of quadratic equations in real-world scenarios.

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A dart is shot straight up from 1.5m above ground level. The distance d,
in meters, the dart is above ground at time t, in seconds, is :

d(t) = -4.9t^2 + 20t + 1.5

For how many seconds is the dart in the air?
 
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What is the height value corresponding to ground level?
 
There was a previous part to the question which I have the answer for :

What is the velocity of the dart one second after it is shot upward?

v'(t) = -9.8t + 20 = -9.8(1) + 20 = 10.2 m/s

What is the Maximum height that the dart reaches ?

velocity will be zero at 2.0408 seconds [0=(-9.8)t + 20]

d(2.0408) = -4.9(2.0408)^2 + 20(2.0408) + 1.5 = 21.9 m
 
Both of these earlier answers are correct.
 
I am stuck on the final part of the question, I know how to solve it using a physics formula . . . but not with the derivative.
 
Did you read post 2?
 
It would be zero.
 
Correct.
So what equation must the instant "t" fulfill which coresponds to the dart hitting the ground?
 
I'm guessing that something needs to be set to equal zero . . . but forgive me, I'm still a little lost.
 
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You know that height as a function of time is given by the equation:
[tex]d(t)=-4.9t^{2}+20t+1.5 (1)[/tex]
Now, that d=0 (that is, we have reached groundlevel), means that the instant "t" corresponding to that must fulfill:
[tex]0=-4.9t^{2}+20t+1.5 (2)[/tex]

Note that we have been sloppy with our notation here:
In (1), "t" is used as a VARIABLE, whereas in (2), "t" is used as a fixed VALUE we're supposed to find.
If you want to be careful in your notation, proceed as follows:
a) Let T be the instant when the dart hits the ground. At that instant, the height value "d" is 0.
b) The value of the height at time T is given by evaluating our height formula at T (T is therefore an element in the interval over which the variable "t" ranges):
[tex]d(T)=-4.9T^{2}+20T+1.5 (3)[/tex]
c) a) says now that d(T)=0, and inserting this insight into (3) yields:
[tex]0=d(T)=-4.9T^{2}+20T+1.5[/tex]
That is:
[tex]0=-4.9T^{2}+20T+1.5(4)[/tex]

(4) can now be solved for T, remembering that T must be greater than zero.
 
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Thanks for your help today. :smile:
 
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Welcome to PF!
 

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