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The discussion centers on the reducibility of the polynomial x^4 + 1 modulo a prime p. Participants explore various approaches to demonstrate this property, including the existence of roots in extensions of Zp and potential factorizations into quadratics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests showing that x^4 + 1 has a root in some odd extension of Zp, which would imply a root in Zp.
  • Another participant mentions that experiments indicate x^4 + 1 rarely has a root modulo p for prime p and proposes that it may factor into two quadratics.
  • A claim is made that no squares are reducible modulo p when p is congruent to 3 mod 4.
  • It is proposed that the problem is equivalent to determining whether -1 has a square root or if 4 has a fourth root modulo p, with a reference to the condition that -1 has a square root if p is congruent to 1 mod 4.
  • One participant expresses having found a complicated method to show the factorization of x^4 + 1 modulo p and invites others to share simpler methods.
  • Another participant discusses the system of equations derived from attempting to factor x^4 + 1 into quadratics and notes the relevance of whether -1 has a square root.
  • There is a suggestion that if p is congruent to 3 mod 4, then either 2 or -2 has a square root, while if p is congruent to 1 mod 4, then -1 has a square root.
  • A participant mentions that the proof does not depend on whether -1 has a square root but rather on the existence of methods that work under different conditions.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the reasoning behind the presence of square roots for certain values and seeks clarification.
  • Another participant introduces the Legendre symbol to discuss the implications of -1 not having a square root and its relationship to quadratic residues.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the reducibility of x^4 + 1 modulo p, with no consensus reached on a definitive method or conclusion. Multiple competing views remain regarding the conditions under which the polynomial is reducible.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments depend on specific conditions regarding the properties of quadratic residues and the behavior of roots modulo p, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Hi!

I need to show that x^4+1 is reducible modulo p for all prime p.

I was thinking to show that it has to have a root in some odd extension of Zp, which would force that root to be in Zp. Am I on the right track?
 
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A quick maple experiment seems to show that x^4+1 rarely has a root mod p where p is prime. You can probably show it factors into two quadratics.
 
No squares are reducible modulo p where p==3 Mod 4.

Take [tex]X^4+1 \equiv 0 Mod 3[/tex]
 
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This problem seems to be equivilant to saying that either -1 has a squareroot or 4 has a 4th root mod p. I seem to recall that -1 has a squareroot iff p is congruent to 1 mod 4. Can it be shown (easily) that if p prime is congruent to 3 mod 4 that 4 has a fourth root mod p?

Steven
 
Did you ever figure out how to show that [tex]X^4+1[/tex] factors mod p for any prime p? I finally figured out one way to show it but it is long and complicated. I would love to see a simple way. I will share the complicated way if anyone is really interested.

Steven
 
That would be interesting.
 
Well, it's already been suggested to try factoring into two quadratics. The obvious "simple" thing to try is:

x^4 + 1 = (x^2 + a) (x^2 + b) = x^4 + (a + b) x^2 + ab

So all you need to do is solve the system:

a+b = 0
ab = 1

modulo p. Can you do that? Guess only if -1 has a square root.


So, try the generic case:

(x^2 + ax + b) (x^2 + cx + d) = x^4 + (a + c) x^3 + (b + d + ac) x^2 + (ad + bc) x + bd

So,

a + c = 0
b + d + ac = 0
ad + bc = 0
bd = 1

If a is not zero, solving this comes down to whether one of m and -m have a square root mod p (For a particular m). That is guaranteed to be true if, *drumroll*, -1 does not have a square root!
 
Well yeah... the m you're looking for in this case is m=2. And if [tex]p\equiv 3 (mod\,4)[/tex] then either 2 or -2 has a square root (in fact for every m, either [tex]\pm m[/tex] has a square root). And if [tex]p\equiv 1(mod\, 4)[/tex] then -1 has a square root. But showing this is basically the same as proving Wilson's theorem (well not quite) and isn't that trivial. I was hoping there would be something simpler like some trick that shows that [tex]\mathbb{Z}_p[x]/<x^4+1>[/tex] can't be a field.
 
The proof doesn't actually care when -1 has a square root mod p -- just that one method works when it does, and the other when it does not.

In any case, Wilson's theorem has been proven, so it's fair game to use. :smile: (And I'm using Quadratic Recipricosity! heaven forbid!)


Well, I have a proof that Zp[x] / <x4 + 1> can't be a field... it starts off by assuming x4 + 1 factors as (x2 + a) (x2 + b) (modulo p) ... :biggrin:
 
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I'm clearly a little dense today (and I should clearly be trying to sleep and not reading physicsforums) but why is it clear that either -1 has a square root or [tex]\pm m[/tex] has a square root for each prime. I'm sure it's something simple that I'm missing but I'm just not seeing it.

Steven
 
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If -1 is present as a quadratic residue, then so is -A, since there is an X present such that [tex]X^2*A \equiv -A \equiv -u^2 \equiv (Xu)^2 Mod p[/tex]

In the other case, if both A and -A are present as quadratic residues, then (X/Y)^2 == A/-A ==-1 Mod p.

Wilson's Theorem (Wilson became a lawyer and never proved his theorem so I have been told) is not hard to prove if we assume that the integers Modulo p form a group. Then every element has its inverse in the group, but the only cases of X^2 ==1 Mod p are X=1 and X=-1.

So the product (p-1)! Modulo p, links every element with its inverse except 1 and -1, so the product comes out: [tex](p-1)! \equiv -1 Mod p[/tex]

Now if we go on with that, if we split the group into (p-1)/2 successive groups of integers, then we have: [tex](p-1)! \equiv {((p-1)/2)!}^2 *(-1)^_(p-1)/2[/tex] Consequently if p is congruent to 1 Mod 4, then there is an X such that X^2==(p-1)! ==-1 Mod p.
 
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Use the Legendre symbol:

If -1 does not have a square root, then (-1/p) = -1.
Since the symbol is multiplicative, we have (-m/p) = (-1/p)(m/p) = -(m/p), so that one of the two must be 1.
 

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