Rumsfeld is being groomed for sacrifice

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The discussion revolves around the political implications of Donald Rumsfeld's role in the administration, particularly in relation to the Iraq war. Participants explore themes of accountability, truth in governance, and the perception of Rumsfeld's position within the political landscape.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that Rumsfeld is being positioned as a scapegoat for potential failures in Iraq, citing his unpopularity and political enemies within the Republican party.
  • There is a claim that Rumsfeld's control over the Iraq rebuilding effort was undermined, indicating a shift in power dynamics within the administration.
  • One participant argues that the administration lacks a genuine search for objective truth, instead manipulating facts to fit a pre-existing agenda.
  • Another participant expresses a change in their perception of Rumsfeld, noting a perceived increase in his awareness of the situation in Iraq over time.
  • There is mention of a comedic portrayal of Rumsfeld's changing rhetoric before and after the war, highlighting the stark differences in his public statements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on Rumsfeld's role and the nature of truth within the administration. There is no consensus on whether he is being unfairly targeted or if his actions are justified.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific political dynamics and media portrayals, which may not fully capture the complexities of the situation. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations regarding Rumsfeld's intentions and the administration's overall strategy.

Njorl
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I think Donald Rumsfeld is being groomed as the administration's sacrificial goat if things go poorly in Iraq. He has never been popular with the pentagon, and now he is drawing the ire of powerful republican senators, like Warner of VA. He was bypassed for control of the Iraq rebuilding effort in favr of Condi Rice. Now, an embarrassing memo, in which he seems to be cognizant of all going wrong, was leaked to the press. The leak was evidently so overt that it was called more of a press release by one source. He has a long list of political enemies among the republicans, who will gladly leave him swinging in the breeze once the white house gives the OK.

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Mr. Rumsfeld illustrates the two operative standards of truth. First, there is the pontifical truth announced to the public; second, there is the ongoing search for truth carried on within the organization itself, not intended for revelation outside.
 
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Mr. Rumsfeld illustrates the two operative standards of truth. First, there is the pontifical truth announced to the public; second, there is the ongoing search for truth carried on within the organization itself, not intended for revelation outside.
I think you misread the situation. I don't think there has EVER been an honest search for objective truth by this administration. They are only looking for facts that can be used, or twisted, to promote the agenda that existed before they even began looking for evidence.
 
I think Donald Rumsfeld is being groomed as the administration's sacrificial goat if things go poorly in Iraq.
Hmm... I was starting to like Rummy now, since he seems to be the only one in the white house with any idea what is actually going on. But we can't have that, can we? :wink:
 
Hmm... I was starting to like Rummy now, since he seems to be the only one in the white house with any idea what is actually going on. But we can't have that, can we?

Rummy has changed A LOT in the past year. I remember a daily show episode that showed clips of Rummy speaking both before and after the war in Iraq, the differences were staggering, and it made for good comedy.
 

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