Differential calculus question (Mean value theorem)

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The discussion revolves around applying the Mean Value Theorem (MVT) to a function f(x) with specific conditions, including an x-value where f(x*)=0, a negative value at f(0.7), and bounds on the derivative f'(x) within a certain interval. Participants are exploring how to derive upper and lower bounds for x* based on these conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of the MVT to derive bounds for x*. There are attempts to manipulate inequalities involving the derivative and the known values of the function. Some participants express confusion regarding the signs and the resulting inequalities.

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There is ongoing exploration of the algebraic manipulation of inequalities. Some participants have provided guidance on how to separate x* from the inequalities, while others are questioning their own reasoning and calculations. The discussion reflects a mix of attempts and clarifications without a clear consensus on the correct interpretation.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the implications of the signs in the inequalities and the specific conditions of the function, such as the positivity of -C. There is an acknowledgment of potential mistakes in algebraic manipulation that could affect the outcome.

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You are given the following information about the function f(x):
i) There is an x-value x* approximately equal to 0.8 such that f(x*)=0
ii) f(0.7) = C is negative
iii) m1 < f'(x) < m2 for 0.7 < x < 0.9 where m1 and m2 are positive constants

Apple the Mean Value Theorem to f(x) on the interval [0.7,x*] to find upper and lower bounds (in terms of m1, m2 and C) for x*


I've been really struggling to understand the MVT and have been at this question for a while... i just can't seen to work it out though and end up going round in circles :frown: I have a test coming up so i really want to try to get my head around the MVT.
 
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janiexo said:
You are given the following information about the function f(x):
i) There is an x-value x* approximately equal to 0.8 such that f(x*)=0
ii) f(0.7) = C is negative
iii) m1 < f'(x) < m2 for 0.7 < x < 0.9 where m1 and m2 are positive constants

Apple the Mean Value Theorem to f(x) on the interval [0.7,x*] to find upper and lower bounds (in terms of m1, m2 and C) for x*


I've been really struggling to understand the MVT and have been at this question for a while... i just can't seen to work it out though and end up going round in circles :frown: I have a test coming up so i really want to try to get my head around the MVT.
By the Mean Value Theorem, there exists some w between .7 and x* such that:

[tex]f'(w) = \frac{f(x*) - f(.7)}{x* - .7} = \frac{0 - C}{x* - .7}[/tex]

Since m1 < f'(w) < m2,

[tex]m1 < \frac{- C}{x* - .7} < m2[/tex]

You should be able to work out the upper and lower bounds of x* from that.

AM
 
Great, that's what I did, only I keep getting the answer 0.7-C/m1 < x* < 0.7 - C/m2 but the actual answer is 0.7-C/m1 > x* > 0.7 - C/m2. I'm probably making some stupid mistake, but this is what I did:

m1 < -C/(x*-0.7) < m2
1/m1 > (x*-0.7)/-C > m2 (i changed the signs because i took the reciprocol)
-C/m1 < (x*-0.7) < -C/m2 (i changed the signs because * by a negative number)
0.7-C/m1 < x* < 0.7-C/m2

Can you tell me where I fudged up? It's probably really obvious but I can't see it :(
 
-C is positive
 
janiexo said:
Great, that's what I did, only I keep getting the answer 0.7-C/m1 < x* < 0.7 - C/m2 but the actual answer is 0.7-C/m1 > x* > 0.7 - C/m2. I'm probably making some stupid mistake, but this is what I did:

m1 < -C/(x*-0.7) < m2
1/m1 > (x*-0.7)/-C > m2 (i changed the signs because i took the reciprocol)
-C/m1 < (x*-0.7) < -C/m2 (i changed the signs because * by a negative number)
0.7-C/m1 < x* < 0.7-C/m2

Can you tell me where I fudged up? It's probably really obvious but I can't see it :(
Take each inequality separately and do the algebra to separate x*.

[tex]m1 < \frac{-C}{(x*-0.7)}[/tex]

[tex]x* - .7 < \frac{-C}{m1}[/tex]

[tex]x* < .7 - \frac{C}{m1}[/tex]

Similarly:

[tex]x* > .7 - \frac{C}{m2}[/tex]

so:
[tex].7 - \frac{C}{m1} > x* > .7 - \frac{C}{m2}[/tex]

AM
 
Thank you :)
 

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