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j6p
May30-05, 03:52 PM
If there was some kind of a push from an initial big bang, shouldn't we be slowing down? I would think that when a projectile leaves the influence of a propelling force it should start slowing down.
In our case the propelling force would be the big bang and the material universe would be the projectile.

Art
May30-05, 04:58 PM
Negative energy is one theory. This is theorised to have existed in abundance during the universe's inflationary period and some believe still abounds today

selfAdjoint
May30-05, 08:27 PM
If the Einstein equations describing the universe have an extra term in them, the so-called Cosmological Constant, they will automatically generate the expansion energy, which will always be there, and won't run out or down. It turns out that they can use the estimated acceleration, which they can calculate from observing ancient supernovas, to figure the value of the consmological constant, known as Lamba ([tex]Lambda[/tex}.

It works out to be extremely tiny, but not zero. This is a puzzle, because theorists could understand if it were zero, or if it were some ordinary number like 3 or 100 or something, but almost zero but not quite seems to call for an explanation, and while there are dozens of papers proposing one answer or another, none of them has convinced a large number of cosmologists that it is right.

Pengwuino
May30-05, 08:34 PM
I would think that when a projectile leaves the influence of a propelling force it should start slowing down.

After the projectile leaves hte "influence", it continues on at a constant speed. You might be getting confused because we see things different on earth.. but its because theres air resistance. If there was no air resistance, u could throw a ball and it wouldnt slow down a bit.

j6p
Jun1-05, 12:20 AM
Ya got me Pengwuino, I didn't think of that. But on the same line of thought, it wouldn't speed up.

As for the negative energy, that's what I believe it is. I'm trying to figure out how they (negative and positive energy) separated. My mind keeps taking me to the place where our universe is expanding into. What I see is an area of negative energy but if that were the case then we would be being pulled, stretched into that negative space and not pushed from a gigantic internal explosion. Could it be possible that there is something beyond our range of detection that is an area of negative energy or something like that? It would explain a lot of stuff.

selfAdjoint
Jun1-05, 09:15 AM
My mind keeps taking me to the place where our universe is expanding into.

It isn't expanding into anything. What is happening is that the distance between things is increasing.

j6p
Jun1-05, 07:21 PM
So if the universe started to collapse, that would mean that the distance between things is decreasing and there would be no outside.
What comes to mind is: what would be left in the space where those things were, before they collapsed. I figure there has to be something that the fabric is expanding into, it should be displacing something.

sd01g
Jun8-05, 06:20 PM
It is obvious to most people (at least to me and maybe j6p) that 'space' is necessary for any and all movement from the atomic level to the galactic. When anything moves, it is changing it's location in space. This is true both empirically and rationally. The Universe is moving and expanding in space. Whether one calls this space 'anything' or 'nothing' does not matter. How it moves or why it moves does not matter. Where it's final location is does not matter. The Universe is moving from space into space. Thank you for considering my opinion.

Pengwuino
Jun8-05, 06:24 PM
It is obvious to most people (at least to me and maybe j6p) that 'space' is necessary for any and all movement from the atomic level to the galactic. When anything moves, it is changing it's location in space. This is true both empirically and rationally. The Universe is moving and expanding in space. Whether one calls this space 'anything' or 'nothing' does not matter. How it moves or why it moves does not matter. Where it's final location is does not matter. The Universe is moving from space into space. Thank you for considering my opinion.

There seems to be a large # of people who do think it matters. All this stuff :confused: :confused: me

Gaijin
Jun12-05, 11:17 PM
what about Gravity?

wouldn't that measure out ot something in the long run

i dont know much about it, but does gravity from one huge obeject(a galaxy) acting on another object ever reach 0 or does it just get very very small with increasing distance?

εllipse
Jun13-05, 12:03 AM
what about Gravity?

wouldn't that measure out ot something in the long run

i dont know much about it, but does gravity from one huge obeject(a galaxy) acting on another object ever reach 0 or does it just get very very small with increasing distance?

It just gets smaller.