Find Function Satisfying Conditions: x→0

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The discussion revolves around finding a function t(x) that satisfies specific limit conditions as x approaches 0. The conditions include behaviors of t(x) and its interactions with x, focusing on theoretical aspects of function behavior in real analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents conditions for t(x) as x approaches 0, noting that t(x) should tend to infinity while also satisfying specific product limits involving x.
  • Another participant questions the course level of the problem, suggesting it may be relevant to a specific educational context.
  • A suggestion is made to use computational tools like Mathematica to visualize the function behavior as x approaches 0.
  • Multiple participants express confusion about the compatibility of conditions (1) and (2), with some questioning whether they are mutually exclusive.
  • One participant proposes a potential function, t(x) = 1/sqrt(|x|), and seeks clarification on its limits as x approaches 0.
  • Another participant corrects a misunderstanding regarding the limit of x/sqrt(|x|), asserting it approaches 0, and discusses the implications of right-handed limits in the context of the logarithmic function proposed by the original poster.
  • Concerns are raised about the continuity of the proposed function t(x) = -log(-x log(x)), particularly regarding its domain and the behavior of logarithmic functions.
  • One participant suggests that the original poster's conditions do not explicitly require continuity, emphasizing that limits can be considered without it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and interpretation of the conditions, leading to disagreements about the compatibility of the conditions and the proposed functions. No consensus is reached on a single function that satisfies all conditions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions about continuity and the behavior of functions near 0, particularly in relation to the logarithmic function's domain.

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Does anyone know a function t(x) satisfying the following conditions.

as x -> 0 we have

(1) t(x)-> oo

(2) x t(x) -> 0

(3) x t(x) exp(t(x)) -> 0

(4) x t(x)^2 exp(t(x)) -> oo

I have "two extremes" as

t(x) = sqrt(-log x) satisfies (1-3) but x t(x)^2 exp(t(x)) -> 0

t(x) = -log( -x log(x))

satisfies (1-2) and (4), but x t(x) exp(t(x)) -> c >0

I have been searching desperately.
 
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What level course is this?
 
hello

if your really desperate you should try ploting it through mathematica or some similar program and watch what happens as x goes to infinity it shouldn't be too hard, a few guesses and you should be able to get your solution
 
This is in the reals, right? And am I misreading this:
as x -> 0 we have

(1) t(x)-> oo

(2) x t(x) -> 0

or are (1) and (2) mutually exclusive?
 
rachmaninoff said:
This is in the reals, right? And am I misreading this:


or are (1) and (2) mutually exclusive?
I want to agree with you but first I want to verify that the only functions that tend to infinity as x-> 0 are ones where the denominator has a quicker tendency to infinity than the numerator.
 
rachmaninoff said:
This is in the reals, right? And am I misreading this:


or are (1) and (2) mutually exclusive?


[tex]t(x) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{\vert x \vert}}[/tex]

Am I missing something?
 
[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow 0} \frac{x}{\sqrt{|x|}} \neq 0[/tex]
 
edit: I misread the OP, ignore this post.
 
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whozum said:
[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow 0} \frac{x}{\sqrt{|x|}} \neq 0[/tex]

It's zero. When x>0 it's sqrt(x). It appears he's only looking at right handed limts (hence his log's), but for this function the two-sided limit is also zero, it's -sqrt(x) for x<0.

These limits are as x->0, none of them exclude any others.


t(x) = -log( -x log(x)) is hopeful. In condition 3, you're looking at [-log(x)-log(-log(x))]/(-log(x)). You'd like to speed up the growth of the denominator without affecting the numerator signifigantly. Try fiddling with the inside log of t(x)
 
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I thought of this last night, does it have to be continuous?
And also, for a limit to exist, the function must approach the value from both sides, however since the log function can't take negative values, there is a whole in his domain for t(x) = -log( -x log(x)), correct?
 
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The log(x) is what made me think he was considering right hand limits. Finding a function satisfying those limits from the right is enough in any case, just put |x| where you see x and you've got your two sided limits as well. There's nothing about continuity as he's written it, just a limit. In fact the first condition rules on continuity at 0. The t(x) = -log( -x log(x)) will work, with some minor alterations.
 

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