Computing the Integral of Square Root Tangent without Trig Identities

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The discussion revolves around the computation of the integral \(\int \sqrt{\tan \theta}\space d\theta\), specifically focusing on methods to approach this integral without using trigonometric identities. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of substitution techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the substitution \(u = \tan \theta\) to simplify the integral.
  • Another participant proposes a further substitution \(u = x^2\) and provides a hint involving polynomial factorization.
  • There is a concern raised about the introduction of multiple variables in the new integral after substitution.
  • One participant confirms that \(u^2 = \tan \theta\) is a valid substitution.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between \(\cos^2\) and \(\sec^2\), leading to the formulation of the integral as \(\int \frac{\sqrt{u}}{1 + u^2}du\) or \(\int \frac{\sqrt{u}}{1 + u^4}du\), with some confusion about the correct form.
  • A later reply acknowledges a mistake regarding the integral's formulation and expresses gratitude for the assistance received.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to compute the integral, as there are multiple proposed substitutions and some confusion regarding the correct formulation of the integral.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the correct formulation of the integral after substitution, and participants express uncertainty about the implications of their substitutions.

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How would you compute something like:

[tex]\int \sqrt{\tan \theta}\space d\theta[/tex]

I cannot seem to be able to use any trig. identities.

Thanks.
 
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Try [tex]u = tan\theta[/tex]

Then [tex]u = x^2[/tex]

One more hint: [tex](x^4+1)= (x^2 - \sqrt{2}x+1)(x^2 + \sqrt{2}x + 1)[/tex]
 
There was a very long thread about this integral already, click here
 
mattmns said:
Try [tex]u = tan\theta[/tex]

Then [tex]u = x^2[/tex]

One more hint: [tex](x^4+1)= (x^2 - \sqrt{2}x+1)(x^2 + \sqrt{2}x + 1)[/tex]

Yeah, but then the new integral has two different variables.

With [tex]u=\tan{\theta}[/tex], I come up with:

[tex]\int \sqrt{u}\cos^2{\theta}du[/tex]
 
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[tex]u^{2}=\tan\theta[/tex]

is the right one to do.

Daniel.
 
cos^2 = 1 / sec^2 right, and sec^2 = 1 + tan^2 right

so the integral is

[tex]\int \frac{\sqrt{u}}{1 + u^2}du[/tex]

then used the hint above.

edit... looking at the other thread, you should probably do dex's substitution.
 
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mattmns said:
cos^2 = 1 / sec^2 right, and sec^2 = 1 + tan^2 right

so the integral is

[tex]\int \frac{\sqrt{u}}{1 + u^4}du[/tex]

then used the hint above.

edit... looking at the other thread, you should probably do dex's substitution.

Alright, that makes sense. The only problem I see is this:

Shouldn't the integral be [tex]\int \frac{\sqrt{u}}{1+u^2}du[/tex]?
 
Yes you are right, sorry.
 
Alright, well I can integrate that. Thanks a lot for your help.
 

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