Finding a Basis for M2's Symmetric Matrices

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a basis for the subspace of symmetric matrices within the vector space of 2 x 2 matrices (M2). Participants explore various methods and ideas for systematically determining this basis, including mapping techniques and specific matrix forms.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about a systematic procedure for finding a basis for symmetric matrices in M2.
  • Another participant suggests a method for Mn that involves using matrices with 1s on the diagonal and pairs of off-diagonal positions, proposing it as a systematic approach.
  • A different participant recommends taking a guessed basis and proving its independence and spanning properties, while also suggesting a mapping from a standard vector space to symmetric matrices.
  • One participant describes the general form of a 2 x 2 symmetric matrix and provides specific examples of matrices that could form a basis, asserting that these matrices span a 3-dimensional space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple approaches and ideas, indicating that there is no consensus on a single systematic method for finding the basis of symmetric matrices. The discussion remains open with various competing views and suggestions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' suggestions depend on assumptions about linear mappings and the structure of symmetric matrices, which may not be fully explored or resolved in the discussion.

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Let M2 be the vector space of 2 x 2 matrices.How to find a basis for the subspace of M2 consisting of symmetric matrices.
The problem it creates for me is that i ca guess the solution but i don't have any symstematic procedure in mind... :cry:

Pls help
 
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For Mn, you take the n matrices that are all zeroes except have a single 1 on the diagonal, plus the n(n-1)/2 matrices that have zeroes everywhere except a 1 in the i-j position and a 1 in the j-i position, where i and j are unequal. I don't think you can get any more "systematic" than this.
 
better maybe just take your guess and try to prove it is independent and spans.

or here ios an idea: try to write down amap from some standard vector space R^t to the symmetric amtrices, in such a way that your maop is linear and an isomorphism. then it trakes a basis of the standard space to a basis of those matrices.


i.e. map say (1,0,0) to a symmetric 2by2 matrix, and (0,1,0) to another one and (0,0,1) to another one.

i.e. try mapping "upper triangular" matrices isomorphically to symmetricm ones.
 
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Any 2 by 2 symmetric matrix must be of the form [tex]\begin{pmatrix}a & b \\ b & c\end{pmatrix}[/tex] for some numbers a, b, c.
Taking a= 1, b= c= 0 gives [tex]\begin{pmatrix}1 & 0 \\ 0 & 0\end{pmatrix}[/tex].
Taking a= 0, b= 1, c= 0 gives [tex]\begin{pmatrix}0 & 1 \\ 1 & 0\end{pmatrix}[/tex].
Taking a= b= 0, c= 1 gives [tex]\begin{pmatrix}0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1\end{pmatrix}[/tex].

Those matrices form a basis for the 3 dimensional space.

In other words, write the general matrix with constants a, b, etc. and take each succesively equal to 1, the others 0.
 

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