What is the best approach for solving the goniometric integral problem?

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The discussion revolves around solving a complex goniometric integral involving trigonometric functions and substitutions. Participants explore various methods for simplifying and integrating the expression, sharing their approaches and challenges encountered during the process.

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  • One participant presents an initial integral and describes their steps to simplify it, including substitutions that lead to a more manageable form.
  • Another participant suggests a substitution involving a new variable to further simplify the integral.
  • A participant shares their progress in integrating the transformed expression and asks about handling a specific term that appears challenging.
  • Another participant proposes using integration by parts as a method to tackle the integral, providing a detailed breakdown of the approach.
  • A participant confirms their results after substituting back to the original variables and expresses satisfaction with the outcome.
  • One participant mentions using Mathematica to verify their solution, noting that it closely matches their manual calculations with minor adjustments needed.

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Participants generally agree on the methods discussed for solving the integral, but there are variations in the approaches taken and the specific techniques suggested. The discussion remains open-ended as participants explore different strategies without reaching a single consensus.

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Some steps in the integration process are not fully resolved, and there may be assumptions or dependencies on specific substitutions that are not explicitly stated. The complexity of the integral and the various methods discussed highlight the challenges inherent in such problems.

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Hi,

I'm having some trouble with solving this indefinite integral.

[tex] \int {\sqrt {\frac{{6\cos ^2 x + \sin x\cos (2x) + \sin x}}{{2 - \sin x}}} } dx[/tex]

I was able to lose the sin(x) and get a cos(x) out of the square root by doing this:

[tex] \int {\sqrt {\frac{{6\cos ^2 x + \sin x(2\cos^2 x -1) + \sin x}}{{2 - \sin x}}} } dx[/tex]

[tex] \int {\sqrt {\frac{{6\cos ^2 x + 2\sin x\cos^2 x -\sin x + \sin x}}{{2 - \sin x}}} } dx[/tex]

[tex] \int {\sqrt {\frac{{\cos ^2 x(6 + 2\sin x)}}{{2 - \sin x}}} } dx[/tex]

[tex] \int \cos x{\sqrt {\frac{{6 + 2\sin x}}{{2 - \sin x}}} } dx[/tex]

Then I did a substitution, [tex]y = \sin x \Leftrightarrow dy = \cos xdx[/tex] to get:

[tex] \int {\sqrt {\frac{{6 + 2y}}{{2 - y}}} } dy[/tex]

I think I can say this looks a lot better than the initial integral, but after that I used about 3 more substitutions and 2 sides of paper. I finally got something but it wasn't all correct I'm affraid.
I was wondering if I started out wrong or if someone sees an easy way to continue (or an easier to start).

Naughty integral if you ask me :bugeye:
 
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It looks okay so far.Now try the sub

[tex]\frac{6+2y}{2-y}=t^{2}[/tex]

Daniel.
 
Hi, perhaps I should've went on but that's indeed what I did first.

I then got:

[tex] \int {\frac{{20t^2}}{{(t^2+2)^2}} } dt[/tex]

I was able to expand that to:

[tex] \int {\frac{{20}}{{t^2+2}} - \frac{{40}}{{(t^2+2)^2}}} dt[/tex]

The first one is no problem, I can easily get there with a ArcTan like this:

[tex] \int {\frac{{20}}{{t^2+2}}} dt = 10\sqrt 2 \arctan \left( {\frac{{\sqrt 2 t}}{2}} \right) (+ C)[/tex]

But what about the second one? I know it gived an ArcTan as well, but not only that. I've seen recursion formula's for it but is there a way to do it 'by hand'?

PS: I read you're temporarily in Leuven, I study in Brussels - that's very nearby :biggrin:
 
U could have easily done it using part integration

[tex]10\int t \ \frac{d\left(t^{2}+2\right)}{\left(t^{2}+2\right)^{2}} =-10\frac{t}{t^{2}+2} +10\int \frac{dt}{t^{2}+2}[/tex]

Can you take it from here...?

Daniel.
 
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Of course! Then I get:

[tex] \int {\frac{{20t^2}}{{(t^2+2)^2}} } dt = 5\sqrt 2 \arctan \left( {\frac{{\sqrt 2 t}}{2}} \right) - \frac{{10t}}{{t^2 + 2}} + C[/tex]

Susbstituting back:

[tex]\frac{6+2y}{2-y}=t^{2} \Leftrightarrow t=\sqrt{\frac{6+2y}{2-y}} \,\,\, gives:[/tex]

[tex] 5\sqrt 2 \arctan \left( {\sqrt {\frac{{y + 3}}{{2 - y}}} } \right) + \sqrt 2 \left( {y - 2} \right)\sqrt {\frac{{y + 3}}{{2 - y}}} + C[/tex]

Susbstituting back:

[tex]y=\sin x \,\,\, gives:[/tex]

[tex] 5\sqrt 2 \arctan \left( {\sqrt {\frac{{\sin x + 3}}{{2 - \sin x}}} } \right) + \sqrt 2 \left( {\sin x - 2} \right)\sqrt {\frac{{\sin x + 3}}{{2 - \sin x}}} + C[/tex]

I hope that's it. Finally, thanks :smile:
 
Yep, took a bit of messing to check it was the right, but it is.
 
Yes, I had Mathematica take the derivative and after FullSimplify, the initial expression almost identically rolled out. Just had to put the cos (and a factor) back in the square root :smile:
 

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