Momentum factor into the force applied to an object at rest

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The discussion centers around the role of momentum in the force applied to an object at rest when it is impacted by a moving object. It explores theoretical aspects of momentum conservation, the dynamics of collisions, and practical applications in scenarios such as material testing.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that in the absence of external forces, momentum is conserved, and the initial momentum of the moving object influences the final speeds after a collision, while the duration of the interaction affects the force experienced.
  • Another participant presents a scenario involving human bones subjected to weights, questioning whether momentum is involved and what equations would apply, suggesting that the impact scenario may relate more to energy than momentum.
  • A different participant references an engineering test called "impact toughness," which measures the energy required to break a sample, indicating that this involves potential energy calculations rather than momentum alone.
  • One participant introduces the relationship between force and momentum, stating that force equals the change in momentum over time, emphasizing the complexity of measuring impact duration and the variability of force during collisions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between momentum and force, particularly in the context of material failure and collision dynamics. There is no consensus on whether momentum or energy is the more relevant factor in the scenarios discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of time duration in collisions and the potential variability of force, which complicates the analysis. The discussion also touches on the distinction between momentum and energy in practical applications, indicating that assumptions about the scenarios may affect the conclusions drawn.

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How does momentum factor into the force applied to an object at rest hit by another which is moving?
 
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Assuming no external forces, momentum is conserved so the initial momentum of the moving object relates to that (as well as how elastic the collision is)- it determines the final speeds. However, the "force" involved in the collision will also depend upon how long the interaction takes. In order go from rest to whatever final speed the object has, it must accelerate during the collision. The longer the collision takes, the lower the acceleration and so the lower the force required.
 
Lets say I have a human bone, and I'm putting weights on it until it snaps, then I have another bone but let the weights fall onto the bone. I'm assuming the second bone will break with less weight because we're letting the weights fall. It is momentum that's involved here? What equations would I be working with?
 
cscott said:
Lets say I have a human bone, and I'm putting weights on it until it snaps, then I have another bone but let the weights fall onto the bone. I'm assuming the second bone will break with less weight because we're letting the weights fall. It is momentum that's involved here? What equations would I be working with?
No, its energy. There is an engineering test called a http://www2.umist.ac.uk/material/research/intmic/features/charpy/notes.htm that takes into account all the factors that Halls mentioned and calls the energy required to break a sample "impact toughness". By using a heavy pendulum to break a test sample, the energy required to break it can be measured simply by using the difference in the height of the pendulum between the upstroke and the downstroke and applying the potential energy equation.
 
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The OP first question asked about the relationship between force and momentum, That relationship is:

F = dp/dt where Force equals the change in momentum divided by the change in
time (during the collision)

This relationship is not evident in the arm breaking scenario but is best seen with an example such as a tennis player serving a ball or a golfer tee-ing off. The tricky part is in measuring the time of impact. Also, the force may not be constant during the collision, hence the need for differential calculus.
 

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