Sliding ladder leaning against wall, and a triangle of maximum area

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The discussion revolves around two problems: one involving a rigid beam leaning against a wall and the rate of change of the angle as the beam is pulled away, and the other concerning a triangle inscribed in a semicircle and determining the angle that maximizes the area of the triangle.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the angle of the beam and its position relative to the wall, employing trigonometric identities and calculus to analyze the situation. There is also a discussion about maximizing the area of a triangle inscribed in a semicircle, with some participants suggesting alternative approaches that do not require calculus.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of the original poster's calculations, particularly regarding the first problem. Others provide insights and alternative methods, indicating a productive exchange of ideas, though no consensus has been reached on the accuracy of the initial answers.

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Participants question the assumption that the area of the triangle in the first problem is constant, noting that the area changes as the beam falls. There is also mention of the constraints imposed by the Pythagorean theorem in the context of the beam's length.

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Hello,
Below are two questions i am unsure of. :rolleyes: Can someone please verify my answers and tell me if i am doing something wrong. thank-you for your help. :smile:

1. A rigid beam 30 m long is leaning against a vertical wall. If the bottom of the beam is pulled horizontally away from the wall at 3 m/s, how fast is the angle between the beam and the ground changing when the bottom of the beam is 18 m from the wall?

sinθ = y/30

cosθ = 18/30
θ= 53.13

A= bh/2
A= [(x)(30sinθ)] / 2
A'= [(30sinθ) (dx/dt) + (x)(30cosθ) (dθ/dt)] / 2
0= [30sin(53.13) (3) + (18)(30cos53.13) (dθ/dt)] / 2
dθ/dt= -6.67 m/s

2.Triangle ABC is inscribed in a semicircle with diameter BC=12 cm. Find the value of angle B that produces the triangle of maximum area.
Hint: An angle inscribed in a semi-circle is a right triangle.

A=bh/2
A=(12cosB)(12sinB)
=72(2cosBsinB)
=72(sin2B)
A'=72(cos2B)
0=72cos2B
cos2B=0
2B=90°
B=45°

i got sin2B using the trig double angle formula sin2x=2sinxcosx
 
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There's a very elegant approach for the second problem. No calculus required (!) :

[tex]A_{\mbox{triangle}} =\frac{AB\cdot AC}{2}[/tex] (1)

Constraint, following Pythagora's theorem

[tex]AB^{2}+AC^{2}=12^{2}[/tex] (2)

(2) can be written

[tex]\left(AB-AC\right)^{2} =12^{2}-2 AB\cdot AC[/tex] (2')

U impose that the product (which by (1)is ~Area) be maximum, therefore the RHS would have to be minimum. Since the LHS can be no less than 0, one gets that it has to be 0.

[tex]AB=AC \Rightarrow \hat{CBA} =45 \mbox{deg}[/tex]

Daniel.
 
thanks...but is the first question right?
 
The reasoning is okay. The area of the triangle is indeed constant. I didn't check the numbers. I hope they're okay.

Daniel.
 
punjabi_monster said:
=72(sin2B)
A'=72(cos2B)
0=72cos2B

You forgot the chain rule here, but in the end it didn't affect your answer.

[tex]A = 72\sin{(2B)}[/tex]
[tex]A' = 72\cos{(2B)}*2[/tex]
 
dextercioby said:
The reasoning is okay. The area of the triangle is indeed constant. I didn't check the numbers. I hope they're okay.

Daniel.
Are you referring to problem 1? Why would the area be constant? The area goes to 0 as the beam falls to the floor. What is definitely constant is the length of the beam- the length of the hypotenuse: Pythagorean theorem: x2+ y2= 900 where x is the distance of the bottom of the beam from the wall and y is the height of the other end up the wall. Differentiating with respect to t,
2xx'+ 2yy'= 0. At the given instant, x= 18 so y= [tex]\sqrt{900-18^2}= \sqrt{576}= 24. 18(3)+ 24(y')= 0 so y'= -54/24= -2.25. y= 30 sin(θ) so <br /> y'= 30 cos(θ)θ'. When x= 18, &theta= 53.13 degrees and <br /> cos(53.13)= 0.6000. -2.25= (30)(0.6)(θ') so θ'= (-2.25)/(18)= -.125 or -1/8 degrees per second.[/tex]
 

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