Understanding the Phenomenon: Why Do Things Shrink When Seen from a Distance?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of how objects appear to shrink when viewed from a distance, exploring the underlying reasons related to visual perception and angular size. The scope includes conceptual understanding and technical explanations of visual processing.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario where a real-size painting of a person appears to shrink when viewed from a distance, prompting a question about the nature of this perception.
  • Another participant explains that objects appear smaller as they are further away because they subtend a smaller angle, and our brains adjust for familiar sizes based on experience.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the mechanics of subtending a smaller angle, questioning whether photons convey information about the distance to the object.
  • Another response emphasizes that the perception of size is based on the angle of sight rather than any additional processing of distance information.
  • One participant reiterates the question about the subtended angle and its effect on visual perception, providing an image to illustrate how the eye images objects at different distances.
  • A later reply confirms the previous explanation and expresses satisfaction with the information provided.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the basic principle that distance affects perceived size through angular subtension, but there is some uncertainty regarding the specifics of how visual perception processes this information.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about visual processing and the role of experience in size perception remain unaddressed, and the discussion does not resolve the intricacies of how the visual system interprets distance and size.

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If someone paints a realsize picture of a person, then walks 100 yards to where you stand and hands you this painting, the painted person is of course still the same size as the real person. But if photons bring you a picture of the same person (i.e. seeing) still standing 100 yards away, the picture shrinks. What happens here?
 
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Perhaps I don't understand your question, but are you asking why things appear smaller as they get further away? Because they subtend a smaller angle. Our brains are able to adjust for familiar objects of known size: We "know" that those people across the park aren't really 1 inch tall as they might appear.

But our perspective can be fooled, since our assumptions of relative size are based on our experience and environmental cues. How about this: http://psylux.psych.tu-dresden.de/i1/kaw/diverses Material/www.illusionworks.com/html/ames_room.html
 
Yes, you understood me right. But what exactly happens when you subtend a smaller angle? Does the photons gather data about the space between me and the person 100 yards away, so that visual system can shrink the image proparly?
 
No, it's just that your line of sight sweeps through a smaller angle to cover an object that has moved far away, and it is this angle (outside of any process borrowing from experience) which is our perception of "size".
 
Lars Laborious said:
Yes, you understood me right. But what exactly happens when you subtend a smaller angle? Does the photons gather data about the space between me and the person 100 yards away, so that visual system can shrink the image proparly?

Check out the attached image. It show how the eye images two objects of the same size at different distances. Note that the image projected on the retina for the furthest object is smaller that the for the closer object and that is because the angle is formed is smaller.
 

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Janus said:
Check out the attached image. It show how the eye images two objects of the same size at different distances. Note that the image projected on the retina for the furthest object is smaller that the for the closer object and that is because the angle is formed is smaller.

Thanks! Just what I needed.
 

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