Brits no longer to be considered failures

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The discussion centers around a proposal to ban the word "fail" in British classrooms, replacing it with "deferred success" to prevent demoralization among students. The conversation explores the implications of this idea on education, motivation, and language use, with a focus on the cultural and political aspects surrounding educational practices.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the proposal, suggesting it will be dismissed by legislative bodies and arguing that a healthy fear of failure motivates students.
  • Others highlight the broader trend of political correctness in education, citing examples like the renaming of "blackboard" to "chalkboard" and questioning if "whiteboard" will also be renamed.
  • A participant notes that many teachers prefer not to label students as failures, which they see as a flaw in the educational approach, arguing that it may hinder understanding of real-life consequences.
  • There is a suggestion that the focus should be on finding effective learning methods rather than softening the language around failure.
  • One participant questions the rationale behind the belief that failure does not contribute to learning, proposing that this mindset should be reconsidered.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the merits of the proposal to ban the word "fail," with some supporting the idea of reframing failure while others argue against it, emphasizing the importance of confronting failure as part of the learning process. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

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Participants express varying opinions on the implications of changing terminology in education, reflecting differing beliefs about motivation, language, and the role of failure in learning. There are unresolved assumptions about the effectiveness of current educational practices and the impact of political correctness.

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LONDON (Reuters) - The word "fail" should be banned from use in British classrooms and replaced with the phrase "deferred success" to avoid demoralizing pupils, a group of teachers has proposed.

PS, The title is to show the location. Its not meant to be an attack on british people.
 
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I'll let you off the hook with the title of your thread, for now... No energy to slag off USians right now! :-p

This stuff gets right on my tits. I don't even see that there will be an argument about this, it'll get laughed right out of whatever legislative board it gets put in front of. A healthy fear of failure is what gave kids like me the motivation to do some ruddy work!

They can't even sing "Baa Baa Black Sheep" in nurseries or schools any more for fear of inciting racial hatred, and teachers must no longer refer to the "blackboard", but "chalkboard" instead. It's political correctness gone mad! :smile:
 
Read my PS jerk :P Dont make me slap you!
 
Pengwuino said:
Read my PS jerk :P Dont make me slap you!


Hah, sorry, I must have read it with too much, uhh, salt! :smile:
 
Yes you did, you were suppose to throw it over your shoulder!
 
"deferred success" :smile:

"I didn't fail chemistry, my success was just indefinitely deferred"

:smile: <wipes tears from her eyes>
 
From the O.P.
LONDON (Reuters) - The word "fail" should be banned from use in British classrooms and replaced with the phrase "deferred success" to avoid demoralizing pupils, a group of teachers has proposed.


But this is the way a lot of teachers think. They don't like to view any pupil as hopeless or unteachable. This is a defect of their strength - dedication to teaching - if you will. The problem is when this teacher's rubber-meets-the-road attitude is factored through some bureaucrat's CYA attitude.
 
brewnog said:
They can't even sing "Baa Baa Black Sheep" in nurseries or schools any more for fear of inciting racial hatred, and teachers must no longer refer to the "blackboard", but "chalkboard" instead. It's political correctness gone mad! :smile:

Do they have to call the 'whiteboard' the 'dry-erase board' as well?
 
selfAdjoint said:
But this is the way a lot of teachers think. They don't like to view any pupil as hopeless or unteachable. This is a defect of their strength - dedication to teaching - if you will. The problem is when this teacher's rubber-meets-the-road attitude is factored through some bureaucrat's CYA attitude.
Its the way parents and kids should think too - they need to understand that because you "failed" this test or this class doesn't make you a failure in life. But it isn't correct use of the English language to say "deferred success" unless they are going to retake the test!
 
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loseyourname said:
Do they have to call the 'whiteboard' the 'dry-erase board' as well?


Indeed, shortly after the ban of "blackboard", someone pointed out that it would have been equally discrimanatory not to ban the use of "whiteboard" too. Utter craziness.

While kids can be discouraged by failure, the problem that needs addressing is not the use of the word failure itself, but finding suitable learning methods for the kids in question.

People can see right through these 'softened' names for things; all the 'waste disposal technicians' which I've ever spoken to refer to themselves as 'bin-men'.
 
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How do you learn from failure if you never encounter it?

But the better question is, how have "progressive" educators come to
belive that you don't learn from failure?

I think it's their type of thinking that should be deferred indefinitely.
 

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