Proving Matrix Symmetries of A with Inverse Matrix

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The discussion revolves around proving a symmetry property of the inverse matrix of a given 4x4 matrix A, which satisfies a specific relationship involving a variable B. The original poster, Ron, seeks assistance in demonstrating that the inverse matrix also maintains this symmetry.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants question the meaning of the notation (+B) and (-B) used by the original poster. There is an exploration of the implications of the summation convention and the properties of the inverse matrix in relation to the symmetry of A.

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Some participants have provided insights into the properties of the inverse matrix and its relationship with matrix A. There is a recognition of the elegant nature of one participant's reasoning, but the discussion remains open without a definitive conclusion or consensus on the proof.

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There are mentions of specific properties of the matrix A, such as the sum of each row and column equaling 1, which may influence the symmetry being investigated. The notation involving B is also a point of clarification that affects the understanding of the problem.

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I have a matrix A which satisfies: A_ij(+B) = A_ji (-B)
(the matrix is a 4x4 matrix)
EDIT: i also know that each row and line summes to 1.
i want to prove that the inverse matrix of A sattisfies the same symmetry property. (But, with no success)

Do you have an idea how to do that?

thanks allot,
Ron
 
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What is this (+B) and (-B) ?

do you mean [tex]A_{ij} + B = A_{ji} - B[/tex] ?

marlon
 
marlon said:
What is this (+B) and (-B) ?

do you mean [tex]A_{ij} + B = A_{ji} - B[/tex] ?

marlon

sorry, i really didn't explain that...
all matrix elements are functions of B...
so - in the left side you enter +B, and in the right side, you enter -B
 
Let D be the inverse, what do we know?

i will use summation convention, ie a repeated index is summed

A_ij D_jk = d_ik (delta 1 if i=k 0 otherwise)


now if i sum over i too it follows that the sum D_jk over j is 1, so that the sum of each column is 1 and similialy, by considering DA rather than AD it follows that the sum over each row of D is one.

as for the other part, I know that

A(b)D(b)=Id =D(b)A(b)

so i can set b as -b if i feel like it and we still know

D(-b)A(-b)=Id

and i can transpose it

A^t(-b)D^t(-b)=Id

and i know that i can replace A^t(-b) with A(b), now i can reach the result i want.
 
matt grime said:
Let D be the inverse, what do we know?

i will use summation convention, ie a repeated index is summed

A_ij D_jk = d_ik (delta 1 if i=k 0 otherwise)


now if i sum over i too it follows that the sum D_jk over j is 1, so that the sum of each column is 1 and similialy, by considering DA rather than AD it follows that the sum over each row of D is one.

as for the other part, I know that

A(b)D(b)=Id =D(b)A(b)

so i can set b as -b if i feel like it and we still know

D(-b)A(-b)=Id

and i can transpose it

A^t(-b)D^t(-b)=Id

and i know that i can replace A^t(-b) with A(b), now i can reach the result i want.


That's great! So ellegant...
thanks allot!
 

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