Is an N-Sphere Just a Solid Ball or Something More?

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The discussion revolves around the definitions and distinctions between an n-sphere and an n-ball in the context of geometry and topology. Participants explore the implications of using inequalities versus equalities in defining these concepts, as well as the terminology used in different mathematical conventions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the inequality \(\sum_{i=1}^{n+1} (x_i-c_i)^2 \leq r^2\) describes a "solid ball," while questioning whether this still qualifies as an n-sphere.
  • Others clarify that the n-sphere is defined by the equality \(\sum_{i=1}^{n+1} (x_i-c_i)^2 = r^2\), indicating a distinction between the surface and the interior.
  • A participant raises a question about the terminology for points inside the n-sphere, seeking to clarify what these points are called.
  • Another participant suggests that the interior could be referred to as "points inside the n-sphere," although they express uncertainty about the definition of 'inside.'
  • Discussion includes the suggestion of using "interior of the (n+1)-ball" as a term for the space encapsulated by the n-sphere.
  • One participant provides a convention from topology, stating that \(\sum_{i=1}^{n} (x_i-c_i)^2 \leq r^2\) is a closed n-ball, while \(\sum_{i=1}^{n} (x_i-c_i)^2 < r^2\) is an open n-ball, emphasizing the dimensional distinction between balls and spheres.
  • Another participant notes that the interior is commonly referred to as a ball or a disc.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the definitions and terminology associated with n-spheres and n-balls. There is no consensus on the precise terminology for the interior of an n-sphere, and different conventions are acknowledged.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference different conventions in geometry and topology, indicating that definitions may vary based on context. The discussion highlights potential ambiguities in the terms used to describe the interior and surface of these geometric objects.

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[tex]\sum_{i=1}^{n+1} (x_i-c_i)^2{\leq}r^2[/tex] is not the set of all points at a certain distance from the center, but it is a "solid ball", so is it still an n-sphere?
 
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No, the n-sphere is the surface defined by the equality.
 
who what is the inequality?
 
All points on [itex]\sum_{i=1}^{n+1} (x_i-c_i)^2 = r^2[/itex] belong in an n-sphere (not points inside).
 
i know that, i was asking what the points inside(the inequality) is called, since it isn't a sphere.
 
I guess you'd simply call them "points inside the n-sphere" (?), though I'm not sure if 'inside' is well defined. In this case, though, you could define 'inside' as being on the same side of the surface as the center.
 
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the volume which said n-sphere encapsulates?
 
How about "interior of the (n+1)-ball"?
 
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The convention in topology as I learned it is

[tex]\sum_{i=1}^{n} (x_i-c_i)^2{\leq}r^2[/tex]
is a closed n-ball or radius r (or just "closed ball" when you're in R^n Euclidean space)

[tex]\sum_{i=1}^{n} (x_i-c_i)^2< r^2[/tex]
is an open n-ball or radius r or "open ball" in R^n.

Note that in R^n, a ball is n-dimensional and a sphere is (n-1)-dimensional; i.e., a topologist's n-sphere is the boundary of an (n+1)-ball.
 
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The interiot is commonly called a ball or a disc.
 

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