Help with Paradoxical Groups: Vectors, Finite Groups, F3 & Z

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The discussion revolves around the concept of paradoxical groups in the context of linear algebra and group theory, specifically focusing on vectors in R², finite groups, and the properties of certain mathematical structures like F3 and Z.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to establish a unique transformation for vectors in R² and questions the paradoxical nature of finite groups and specific mathematical entities. Some participants question the definition of "paradoxical" and the assumptions made regarding the examples provided.

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Participants are exploring definitions and implications of paradoxical groups, with some offering clarifications on the requirements for a group to be considered paradoxical. There is a lack of consensus on the definitions and the application of these concepts to the examples given.

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There is a noted concern regarding the original poster's urgency in seeking help, which may influence the depth of the discussion. Additionally, the definitions and conditions for paradoxicality are under scrutiny, particularly in relation to the examples provided.

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Hi, I need some serious help in paradoxical groups!

1) Given vectors v1,v2 in R2 and w1,w2 in R2 (none lieing on a line thru the origin), show that you can find a unique C such that Cv1=w1 and Cv2=w2.

2) Show that a finite group is not very paradoxical.

3) Is F3 paradoxical? Is Z?


THANKS!
 
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would you care to define paradoxical?

1 is easy if you pick a basis. , though that is unnecessary, just define a map satisfying such and extend by linaerity to all of R^2 and note that two independent vectors in R^2 are a basis (you mean w1 w2 not lying on the same line, and v1 v2 not lying on the same line).
 
Def of Paradoxical:

G acts on X, E is subset of X.
E is G-paradoxical if there exists pairwise disjoin sets A1, ... , An, B1,..., Bm inside E and g1,...,gn, h1,...,hm inside G with E=(union)(Ai)=(union)(Bj).

If X is metric space and G acts by isometries, and we have A's, B's, g's, and h's as above, we have G-very paradoxical.
 
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Why didn't you say it was to help you do an assignment in a rush... my interest has dropped off, sorry. YOu might consider that your definition of paradoxical requres G to act on a set (your examples in the question don't) and you have not given a quantification of "not very" for paradoxical.
 

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