When to Consider a Body as a Point-Like Object: Factors and Applications

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The discussion revolves around when it is appropriate to consider a three-dimensional body as a point-like object in calculations, particularly outside theoretical or homework contexts. Participants explore various factors and applications that influence this decision.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a body can be treated as point-like when its geometric properties are not significant to the calculations.
  • Others argue that simplifying a body to a point-like object can make problem-solving easier or even possible.
  • One participant mentions that the Newtonian gravitational field of a spherically symmetric body can be treated as if it were a point mass.
  • Another participant shares an analogy from pool, explaining that they treat balls as mathematical points to simplify calculations related to angles and reflections.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the criteria for treating bodies as point-like, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus on a definitive approach.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the importance of geometric properties and the context of the problem are not fully explored, leaving room for further discussion on specific applications and limitations.

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my question is as follows:
when do we need to consider a three dimension body as a point like body in our calclulations?
i mean outside our theoretical/homework practices when should we assume the body as a point like?

one thing i can think of is when the geometric properties of a body is not important and therefore isn't taken into consideration into our calculations.
and maybe also when the body is a particle but other than that i don't know.
 
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When it makes it easier or possible to solve the problem.
 
loop quantum gravity said:
my question is as follows:
when do we need to consider a three dimension body as a point like body in our calclulations?
i mean outside our theoretical/homework practices when should we assume the body as a point like?

one thing i can think of is when the geometric properties of a body is not important and therefore isn't taken into consideration into our calculations.
and maybe also when the body is a particle but other than that i don't know.

We can treat the Newtonian gravitational field (GM/r^2) of a spherically symmetric body as if the body were a point.

The center of mass is a useful concept for the motion of rigid bodies as well. If we apply a force to a rigid body, we know that the acceleration of the center of mass is F/m.
 
I don't do much in the way of science other than haunting these premises. My experience with your question actually is the basis of how I play and teach pool. When calculating how to hit a ball, I treat each one as a mathematical point rather than a spherical object. I then envision what angle to fire a laser at in order to achieve the proper 'reflection', followed by extrapolating the radii in order to accommodate the edge-to-edge contact of the balls.
 
Danger said:
I don't do much in the way of science other than haunting these premises. My experience with your question actually is the basis of how I play and teach pool. When calculating how to hit a ball, I treat each one as a mathematical point rather than a spherical object. I then envision what angle to fire a laser at in order to achieve the proper 'reflection', followed by extrapolating the radii in order to accommodate the edge-to-edge contact of the balls.
and ofcourse you always lose... :smile: :cry:
 
loop quantum gravity said:
and ofcourse you always lose... :smile: :cry:
Oooh... you sting me! (Wanna play for $$$? :-p )
 

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