He atoms move faster than all of the Ne atoms

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of helium (He) and neon (Ne) atoms in a gas mixture at equilibrium, specifically addressing the claim that all He atoms move faster than all Ne atoms. Participants explore the implications of atomic mass and kinetic energy in relation to molecular motion.

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  • Participants question the validity of the statement regarding the speed of He and Ne atoms, particularly focusing on the use of the term "all." They discuss the chaotic nature of gas mixtures and the distribution of molecular speeds as described by Maxwell's distribution.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the kinetic behavior of gas molecules and the transfer of kinetic energy among them. There is recognition of the complexity of the situation, and while some clarifications have been made, no consensus has been reached on the original claim.

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Participants are considering the implications of atomic mass on molecular speed and the assumptions inherent in the statement about all atoms moving faster. The discussion highlights the need for a deeper understanding of kinetic theory and molecular dynamics.

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In a mixture of Ne and He at equilibrium, all of the He atoms move faster than all of the Ne atoms.

Why is this false?

Shouldn't it be true, since Ne atom is heavier than He atom. Thanks for any help
 
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Well maybe the problem is with the term "all". Sure, on average the He atoms are faster, but given the very chaotic nature of the mixture, it is very possible, that at a given instant, one or more atom of Ne goes faster than any of the He atoms.
 
The molecules of a gas move in all possible speeds in all possible directions. Thus the gas contains molecules with very low velocities to very high velocities (Maxwell's distribution). When we think of the relation between temperature and velocity (or KE) this is rms velocity of the molecules
 
Exactly.

This has to do with chemical kinetics,
Thnk of what happens when you put a hot object against a cold object. Heat transfers into the colder object until an equilibrium is achieved.

Its basically the same thing.
Atoms with higher kinetic energy (faster movement,) will distribute energy to atoms with lower kinetic energy in the same system, until an equilibrium of kinetic energy is achieved.
Ie, the faster moving atoms will collide with slower moving atoms, transferring some of the kinetic energy, until each atom in the system has the same amount of kinetic energy.

This action is spontanious.
 
Ahh, I see, thank you very much for your help guys.
 

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