Solve Momentum Problem: Boat's Final Velocity

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The problem involves a boat with a person throwing shoes into a river, and the goal is to determine the boat's final velocity after the throws. The subject area relates to momentum conservation in physics.

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  • Participants discuss the conservation of momentum and the impact of the mass of the shoes on the boat's velocity. There are attempts to derive expressions for the boat's final velocity after each shoe is thrown, with varying assumptions about the mass of the boat.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding whether the total mass M includes the shoes. There is no explicit consensus on the correct expression for the boat's final velocity, and some participants express uncertainty about their calculations.

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There is ambiguity in the problem statement regarding the total mass M and whether it includes the mass of the shoes. This uncertainty is affecting the derivation of the final velocity expressions.

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A peron on a boat with a total mass of M are stationary in the river, the man throws his shoes mass m at a velocity v successive, find the expression for the boat's final velocity.

Here is what I did.

First let u be the velocit of the boat
After the first shoes:
(M + m)u = mv
u = mv(1/(M +m))

After the second shoes:
Change in momentum of the boat = Change in momentum of the shoe

So, Mu'- (M + m)u = mv, but (M + m)u = mv

Therefore Mu' = 2mv and u' = 2mv/M

u + u' = mv(2/M + 1/(M + m)) is the final velocity of the boat.

But the correct answer is mv(1/(M + m) + 1/(M + 2m)), can anyone please tell me where I've got it wrong?
 
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Originally posted by Hyperreality

Change in momentum of the boat = Change in momentum of the shoe

So, Mu'- (M + m)u = mv
The 2nd shoe ist not at v relative to the water, since it's thrown from a moving boat.
 
So this is the correct expression?

Mu'- (M + m) = m(u + v)? Because I still can't find the correct expression...
 
Originally posted by Hyperreality
Because I still can't find the correct expression...

Nor can I reproduce that answer.
There's also something unclear in the problem: It says 'total mass M'. Does that include the shoes, or not?

Let u be the boat velocity after 1st throw.
Let u' be the boat velocity after 2nd throw.

If we assume that M includes the shoes, then

I. (M-m)u = mv
II. (M-2m)u' - (M-m)u = m(v-u)

This leads to
u' = mv(1/(M - m) + 1/(M - 2m)).

Now if M doesn't include the shoes, this will sure mean the transformation
M -> M+2m, yielding
u' = mv(1/(M + m) + 1/M).

I can't see how to get closer to the 'correct' answer.
 

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