Conceptual Difficulty with Lagrange's Eqn

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The discussion centers on the application of Lagrange's equation to the kinetic energy (K.E.) of a particle in spherical polar coordinates. The participant initially misinterprets the expression derived from Lagrange's equation, believing it to represent the angular acceleration component, \(a_\theta\). However, upon further examination, it is clarified that the expression does not yield acceleration due to incorrect unit analysis, revealing a misunderstanding of the relationship between kinetic energy and forces in this context. The correct interpretation involves dividing by \(h_\theta\) to obtain the proper angular acceleration.

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I shall give a short example to illustrate where I am confused.

If we take the K.E. of a particle in spherical polar coords.

[tex] T = \frac{1}{2}m( \dot r^2 + r^2 \dot\theta^2 + r^2 sin^2 \theta \dot \phi^2) [/tex]

And

[tex] T' = \frac{1}{2}( \dot r^2 + r^2 \dot\theta^2 + r^2 sin^2 \theta \dot \phi^2) [/tex]

Now plugging this in Lagrange's equation:
[tex] \frac {d} {dt} \frac {\partial T'} {\partial \dot \theta} - \frac {\partial T'} {\partial \theta} = r^2 \ddot \theta + 2r \dot r \dot \theta - r^2 \dot \phi^2 sin \theta cos \theta[/tex] --------- Line 3

Now, as far as I understand the above equation is [tex]a_\theta[/tex]. That is, the [tex]\theta[/tex] component of acceleration.

However, it seems I am wrong.

My book tells me I have to divide the expression by [tex]h_\theta[/tex]

where

[tex] h_\theta = \left ( \left ( \frac {\partial x} {\partial \theta} \right )^2 <br /> + \left ( \frac {\partial y} {\partial \theta} \right )^2 <br /> + \left ( \frac {\partial z} {\partial \theta} \right )^2 \right )^\frac {1}{2} = ( (r cos \theta cos \phi )^2 + ( (r cos \theta sin \phi )^2 + r^2 sin^2 \theta )^\frac {1}{2} = r[/tex]

Producing [tex]a_\theta = r \ddot \theta + 2 \dot r \dot \theta - r \dot \phi^2 sin \theta cos \theta[/tex]

So making the reasonable assumption that the book is correct and I am not. What does the expression (Line 3) that I thought was the acceleration represent?

This is especially confusing as I know that if we do not divide T by m then line 3 should produce the force [tex]F_\theta[/tex]??

:frown: :frown: :rolleyes:
 
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A quick check of the units in equation (3) would show that it isn't an aceleration, you have [itex]m^{2} s^{-2}[/itex] not [itex]m s^{-2}[/itex].
 
Oops. Yep, you is right. Just had a look at the derivation again and I see where my confusion arose.

School-boy error :blushing:

Thanks muchly!
 

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