Analyzing Vibration of Bicycle Frame as a Spring Mass System

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The discussion revolves around analyzing the vibration of a bicycle frame modeled as a spring-mass system. Participants explore various methods for determining the frame's natural frequency and dynamics, including modal analysis and finite element analysis (FEA). The conversation touches on practical considerations for experimental setups and modeling approaches.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests the need to understand the frame's stiffness and center of gravity for analysis.
  • Another participant recommends conducting modal analysis and using accelerometers to measure vibration modes and frequencies.
  • There is a discussion about the placement of accelerometers, with suggestions to position them at locations where maximum deflections are expected.
  • A participant mentions using microphones as an alternative method for capturing vibration frequencies, although this does not provide mode shapes.
  • One participant inquires whether the finite element analysis should be constrained or unconstrained, considering the wheels' interaction with the ground.
  • Another participant advises that the model should reflect real-life constraints for practical applications, while also noting the importance of starting with an unconstrained model for correlation with test results.
  • There is uncertainty expressed regarding the assumption that the wheels are "bounded" to the ground solely by the bike's weight, leading to further questions about constraints in the model.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the constraints to apply in finite element analysis, with some advocating for real-life constraints and others suggesting an unconstrained approach to reduce uncertainty. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best modeling approach for the bicycle frame.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of modeling the bicycle frame due to the dynamic interaction of the wheels and the frame, as well as the need to consider the flexibility of the tires in the analysis.

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I have a bicycle frame. I want to analyze this frame as a spring mass system.
What details i should know. I should know the frame's stiffness. ok let us say it as x. Then the centre of gravity of the frame. Let us say it is also known.

But now the frame can be pulled or pushed and then released from any point on it so that it vibrates. (unlike a simple spring mass system where the mass is separate and is pulled through some distance and released to induce vibration).

How can such a system's natural frequency or how dynamics can be done on this?
 
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You need to do a search on modal analysis, rap tests and the like. On something that large, you can simply place accelerometers at different locations and hit the frame to induce vibration. The accelerometers record the data. From that data you should be able to discern the various modes' frequencies (up to a point). If you use enough instrumentation you can then discern mode shapes.

This kind of analysis is done quite often. We do modal analysis on blades to discover what their excitations are so we can avoid them in the operating ranges of the engine.
 
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fred,
What are the places the accelerometres should be kept? Any website
on this type of analysis
 
Usually one has an idea of where the maximum deflections are going to occur (mid spans of beams, etc). These are the places you try to place the accelerometers.

First and foremost, the Society for Experimental Mechanics is a great place for information. http://www.sem.org/PUBS_ArtDownload.asp

An introduction to modal analysis:
http://www.sem.org/ArtDownLoad/msma98.pdf

Other articles of interest:
http://www.gmi.edu/~drussell/guitars/electric.html
http://www.sem.org/ArtDownLoad/msja00.pdf
http://www.sem.org/ArtDownLoad/msjf00.pdf

As a side note, I have done a lot of testing simply using a microphone to pick up the local vibrations. Again, this is a single blade, not an entire bike frame. This will not give you the mode shapes, but it will give you the mode frequencies. We then use the models to determine which modes are being excited. This way is a much easier test set up.
 
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Hi,
If I wanted to get the natural frequencies of the bicycle frame by means of FE-analysis, should it be performed as constrained or unconstrained ? Indeed, the wheels are not bounded to the ground, so please, could you help me?
Thank you very much
 
If you want to use the results for some purpose, the model should be constrained the same way as the "real life" situation.

If you want to correlate the model with test results, it's always a good idea to start with no constraints. That removes one source of uncertainty in the model, because "real world" constraints are never "perfectly rigid".

Assuming the bike is standing on the ground, the wheels are "bounded" to the ground by the weight of the bike, unless the vibration amplitude is so large they lose contact with the ground. But you would probably need to include the flexibility of the tires to get a good correlation with test measurements.
 
Ok! Thank you very much!
 
However, I am not sure about the assumption that the wheels are "bounded" to the ground by the weight of the bike...
Should I constraint also the positive z-direction on those nodes corresponding to the link to wheels because of the weight? But weight affects to all nodes of the structure...
 

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