How do you physically interpret ft-lbs or torque?

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The discussion revolves around the physical interpretation of torque measured in ft-lbs, particularly in the context of modifying a scooter's motor to increase its speed from 15 mph to 20 mph. Participants explore the calculations and considerations necessary for determining the required motor power and the implications of torque in this scenario.

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Main Points Raised

  • Torque is described as a rotational force resulting from a linear force applied perpendicular to a moment arm, with units of ft-lbf or N-m.
  • One participant questions whether the intention is to replace the existing motor or add a second motor to achieve higher speeds.
  • It is noted that increasing speed requires more energy/power due to increasing resistance, primarily wind resistance.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of knowing the RPM at which torque is measured to calculate power effectively.
  • A suggestion is made to use a torque vs RPM graph to derive power vs RPM, which could help determine if the motor can reach the desired speed or if resistance is limiting performance.
  • Clarification is sought regarding the type of scooter (electric or gasoline) and the specifics of the additional motor being considered.
  • The participant confirms the scooter is electric and that the additional motors will be added to the existing stock motors, indicating a preference for smaller gear ratios to achieve higher speeds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the approach to increasing the scooter's speed, with some focusing on the role of torque and power calculations while others discuss the practical implications of motor configuration and gearing. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to achieve the desired speed increase.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for additional information, such as RPM data and resistance factors, which are not fully resolved in the discussion. There is also uncertainty regarding the effects of gearing on performance.

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how do you physically interpret ft-lbs or torque?
 
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say I have a scooter that goes 15mph and I would like to add another motor to make it go 20 mph. What kind of calculation would I have to make to determine the required motor power?
 
Torque can be thought of as a rotational force, which can achieved by a 'linear' force applied perpendicular or normal to a moment arm - hence ft-lbf, or N-m. In the motor, the piston (through a rod) imposes a force on the crank shaft, and the crank shaft produces the torque.

I am not sure of your question about a motor enabling 15 mph vs 20 mph. Do you plan to replace the motor or add a second motor?

To go faster one needs more energy/power as the resistance (mostly wind resistance) increases with speed - so more energy/power is required.

Also, the motor needs to turn fast enough or the gearing must be arranged to permit the driving wheels to turn at the appropriate vehicular speed.
 
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You would also want the RPM the torque is being measured at so you can figure power. And since you would be well suited with more information in this case, a chart/graph would be even better.

So one way to interpret it would be to have a graph of torque vs RPM, from that you can create a power vs RPM (and vice versa). Now if you know the RPM of the motor at the top speed you can make a determination if the engine is simply at its top RPM (at which point the power is a non-issue) or if the resistance is high enough to prevent it from reaching maximum RPM the amount of power needed to maintain that top speed.

If the engine is making more power at a different point on the graph, you may be able to shift the gearing up/down to allow the power curve to better suit your top speed goals. Or approximate the power needed to increase the speed - I thought I had a rudimentary understanding of aero drag but some posts lately make me question that so I'll leave that for someone else.

Electric or gasoline powered scooter by the way? And the additional or replacement motor is what?
 
it is electric and it is additonal to the other two stock electric motors. There is no way I can gear down or up the two stock motors fo sure so I guess to achieve high max speed is by adding two more motors with smaller gear ratio.
 

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