How Does Modulus Calculation Aid in Solving Exponential Equations?

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The discussion centers on the application of modulus calculations in solving exponential equations and a related problem involving the speeds of two cars traveling between two towns. Participants explore methods for finding remainders in modular arithmetic and the implications of these calculations in the context of the given problems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to find the remainder when \(7^{100}\) is divided by 25, indicating a need for understanding modulus operations.
  • Another participant suggests using the property \(7^2 \equiv -1 \mod 25\) to simplify the calculation for \(7^{100}\) and proposes that \(7^{100} \equiv 1 \mod 25\) based on this reasoning.
  • For part b, a participant notes that \(603 = 3 \times 201\) and hints at a similar approach to part a for finding the remainder of \(2^{603} \times 3^{201}\) when divided by 25.
  • In part c, a participant explains how to use modular properties to show that \(29 \times 7^{100} + 54 \times 2^{603} \times 3^{201}\) is divisible by 25.
  • Participants discuss the scenario involving two cars, with one traveling 20 km/h faster than the other and the distances they cover before meeting at point B.
  • One participant clarifies that the difference in distance traveled by the two cars can be expressed as \(20t\) for a time \(t\), emphasizing the relationship between their speeds and the time taken to reach point B.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the modulus concept and requests further clarification on both the modulus calculations and the car problem.
  • A later reply reiterates the explanation of how to derive the speeds and distances involved in the car problem, emphasizing the time taken by car 2 to travel from C to B and the relationship to the distance AB.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding modulus calculations and the car problem. While some participants propose methods and reasoning, others seek clarification, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved on certain points.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the best approach to explaining modulus operations or the specifics of the car problem, highlighting the complexity of the topics involved.

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o:) hi, this is me again.i was wondering if you could teach me how to do these 2 questions (?) means to the power of

1)a)find the remainder when 7(100) (I.E 7 TO THE POWER OF 100) is divided to the power of 25( i know that you are supposed to use mod10 or mod25 or something, but i don't know how to use ,modulus)

b)Find the remainder when 2(603) X 3(201) is divided by 25

c)hence show that 29 X 7(100) + 54 X 2(603) X 3(201) is divisible by 25


2. Two cars left towns A and C at the same time to drive to the other town, passing each other at B and both traveling at different constant speeds, The car from A travels 20km/h faster than the car from C. The distance from A to B is 10km more than the distance from C to B. The car from C completed the journey from B to A in 35 minutes. Find the distance from A to C


so, A-----------------------------B----------------------------C
x + 10 km x km
 
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Looking at 1a). Well, sometimes you have to be a little foxy with these and play around with them. Noting 7^2=49==-1 Mod (25), we are about 90% home already. So we look at 7^100==(-1)^50 Mod 25. So its only a short step now...
 
1. b can be done like 1.a. Just notice that 603 = 3 x 201.
1. c Notice that:
*If: [tex]a_1 \equiv b_1 \mbox{ mod } c[/tex] and [tex]a_2 \equiv b_2 \mbox{ mod } c[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow (a_1 + a_2) \equiv (b_1 + b_2) \mbox{ mod } c[/tex]
*If:
[tex]a_1 \equiv b_1 \mbox{ mod } c[/tex] and [tex]a_2 \equiv b_2 \mbox{ mod } c[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow (a_1 a_2) \equiv (b_1 b_2) \mbox{ mod } c[/tex]

For question 2, call car starts from A car 1, and car starts from C car 2.
Car 1, and car 2 travels at constant speed, and car 1 travels 20 km / h faster than car 2. That means for every 1 hour, car 1 can travels more than car 2 : 20 km. And for [tex]n \mbox{, } n \in \mathbb{R}[/tex] hour(s) car 1 travels more than car 2 : [tex]20n[/tex] (km).
So when car 1 reaches B, it has travel a distance AB, when car 2 reaches B, it has travel a distance CB, and AB = BC + 10 km. They reach B at the same time, car 1 travels more than car 2 : 10 km (using the same amount of time), so can you find how much time they have spent to reach B?
Compare the two amount of time car 2 spends on CB, and BA, and there length AB = 10 + BC, can you find car 2's speed? From there, you can solve for AC.
Viet Dao,
 
thanks, but i still don't understanf how to use mod and how it works, also, with question 2, could you eexplain a bit more?? i don't understand where the n comes from etc.
 
Let call [itex]v_1[/itex] (km / h) the speed of car 1, [itex]v_2[/itex] (km / h) the speed of car 2. We have [itex]v_1 = v_2 + 20[/itex] So for a specific amount of time t (in hours), car 1 travels: [tex]d_1 = v_1 t = v_2t + 20t[/tex], car 2 travels [tex]d_2 = v_2 t[/tex] For for every t (h), car 1 travels more than car 2: [tex]\Delta d = d_1 - d_2 = 20t[/tex] (km). That's where the t comes from.
Is it clear enough?
Viet Dao,
 
sorry for being a persistent annoyance, but could you possibly explain how modulus works(question 1) because i have no idea, and explain question 2 a bit more( i still don't understand :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
For the first question : You are asked to find the remainder of 7 ^ 100 divided by 25.
You will try to make it into something that's easy to take the remainder. You notice that:
[itex]7 ^ 2 = 49[/itex], so: [itex]7 ^ 2 \equiv -1 \mbox{ mod } 25[/itex].
Using:
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[tex]a_1 \equiv b_1 \mbox{ mod c and } a_2 \equiv b_2 \mbox{ mod } c \Rightarrow (a_1 a_2) \equiv (b_1 b_2) \mbox{ mod } c[/tex] (1)
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[tex]a_1 \equiv b_1 \mbox{ mod c and } a_2 \equiv b_2 \mbox{ mod } c \Rightarrow (a_1 + a_2) \equiv (b_1 + b_2) \mbox{ mod } c[/tex] (2)
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So: [tex]7 ^ {100} = {(7 ^ 2)} ^ {50} = 7 ^ 2 \times 7 ^ 2 \times 7 ^ 2 \times ... \times 7 ^ 2[/tex] 50 copies of 7 ^ 2.
Using (1), you have:
[tex]7 ^ {100} \equiv 7 ^ 2 \times 7 ^ 2 \times 7 ^ 2 \times ... \times 7 ^ 2 \equiv (-1)(-1)(-1)...(-1) \equiv (-1) ^ {50} \equiv 1 \mbox{ mod } 25[/tex] (50 copies of -1).
So [tex]7 ^ 100 \equiv 1 \mbox { mod } 25[/tex]
Then, do the same for b. Remember [tex]2 ^ {603} \times 3 ^ {201} = (2 ^ 3 \times 3) ^ {201}[/tex] and [tex]2 ^ 3 \times 3 \equiv ? \mbox{ mod } 25[/tex]?
For c: Also use (1), and (2) will give you [tex]29 \times 7 ^ {100} + 54 \times 2 ^ {603} \times 3 ^ {201} \equiv 0 \mbox{ mod } 25[/tex] Which means it's divisible by 25.
For Q2, please read my post again. I am showing you that for a specific amount of time t, car 1 travels more than car 2 : 20t (km).
So that means, for every 1 hour car 1 will travel more than car 2 : 20 x 1 = 20 km, for every 2 hours car 1 travels more than car 2 : 20 x 2 = 40 km, for every 2.5 hours car 1 travels more than car 2 : 20 x 2.5 = 50 km.
So when they both reach B, car 1 travel more than car 2 : 10 km. So how long does it take car 2 to travels from C to B, and car 1 to travel from A to B?
From there you will know how long it takes car 2 to travel from C to B, you also know it takes car 2 : 35 minutes (7 / 12 hour) to travel from B to A, and AB = BC + 10, so can you find car 2's speed?
Viet Dao,
 
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