Selecting an Oil for High Pressure Hydrogen Compressor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the selection of an appropriate oil for use in a high pressure hydrogen compressor, focusing on the oil's molecular characteristics, vapor pressure, and solubility of hydrogen in different oil types. The conversation includes considerations of oil types such as mineral oils and PAOs (polyalphaolefins), as well as the implications of oil vapor content and hydrogen solubility.

Discussion Character

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  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that oils with high molecular weight and low vapor pressure are preferable to minimize oil vapor in hydrogen.
  • Another participant notes that synthetic oils have significantly lower vapor content compared to mineral oils of the same viscosity.
  • A participant expresses concern regarding the solubility of hydrogen in mineral oil and seeks information on whether hydrogen dissolves readily in such oils.
  • One participant references a paper discussing the solubility of hydrogen in hydrocarbons and offers it as a resource.
  • There is mention of using vacuum pump oil due to its low vapor pressure, which may be advantageous for the compressor design.
  • Another participant indicates that they will investigate their vacuum pump facility's oil usage and consult the manufacturer for more information.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of concern regarding hydrogen solubility in oils, with some indicating that hydrogen dissolves readily in hydrocarbon oils. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best oil choice and the implications of hydrogen solubility.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the availability of specific measurements for hydrogen solubility in oils and the challenges of designing the compressor to minimize the oil/hydrogen interface.

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I'm in the process of designing a high pressure hydrogen compressor. In this machine, an oil will be in direct contact with the hydrogen. To minimize the amount of oil vapor that enters the hydrogen and must be separated, an oil with high molecular weight and low vapor pressure should be best.

The quantity of oil vapour in the compressor depends to a large degree on the molecular distribution of the oil.

In a gas-chromatographic analysis, mineral oil based products show a typical broad, bell-shaped distribution of the molecular weight with a high proportion of short molecular weights, whereas PAOs have a pointed curve, in which the individually mixed base oil portions can be seen.

The major difference is that PAO contains very few short-chain molecules compared to the mineral oil.
It is these short-chain molecules that evaporate most easily.

. . .

In brief, the oil vapour content of synthetic oils is four to five times lower than same-viscosity mineral oils.
And, looking at trends it can be said that the higher the viscosity of the compressor oil, the lower the oil vapour content.
Ref: http://www.engineeringtalk.com/news/klu/klu131.html

The oil used in my compressor doesn't need to be a particularly good lubricant, it is used to displace hydrogen and compress it. My thinking is to use a vacuum pump oil instead of a conventional compressor lubricant. The vacuum pump oils have a vapor pressure on the order of 0.0001 micron. They can achieve this by distilling down the oil and removing the lower molecular weight parts.

Edit (this part added): Another concern regards how much hydrogen might disolve into the oil. Does anyone know if hydrogen disolves readily in mineral oil?

I haven't looked into compressor oil enough yet to know how they compare. Any comments or suggestions?
 
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I came across this doing a search on the Ostwald coefficient and hydrogen:

http://aiche.confex.com/aiche/2005/preliminaryprogram/abstract_21861.htm

It's not a detailed explanation, but it does give a couple of sources for research if needs be.

I will look at our vacuum pump facility and see what we use. Most of the time I can call and ask the manufacturer directly. Let me see what I can dig up. Hydrogen solubility is not exactly something I get to deal with...ever.

No chance in going with an oil free compressor since you need it for the compression, eh?
 
Thanks Fred. Sounds from your reference that they're implying hydrogen disolves readily in hydrocarbon oil, something which I was afraid of. Looks like I'll have to either have it measured or find someone that can calculate it though I doubt I'll find anyone. Fortunately I have an easy option to have it measured, so I just may do that.

I tried talking to the company rep for the oil, but they didn't seem to know much. Also, because of the way the compressor is designed I can't design out the oil/hydrogen interface very easily. Maybe if I start all over ... :frown:
 
Hi Q_Goest,

Not sure if this will help but here's a paper discussing the solubility of hydrogen and other gases in alkanes and 1-alkenes

http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~aghosh/gas_solubility.pdf

Best of Luck!
 
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Thanks Sid. I'll have a look.
 

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