Finding Coefficients in Trigonometric Functions

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The discussion revolves around finding the coefficients A, B, C, and D in the trigonometric function F(x) = Ax cos(x) + Bx sin(x) + C cos(x) + D sin(x), given that its derivative F'(x) equals x cos(x).

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  • Participants discuss taking the derivative of F(x) and equating it to the provided F'(x). There are inquiries about the implications of the coefficients and their possible values. Some participants explore the relationships between the coefficients and the terms in the derivative.

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The conversation includes attempts to derive relationships between the coefficients based on the derivative. Some participants have provided guidance on checking the coefficients to match the desired form of F'(x). Multiple interpretations of the coefficients' constraints are being explored, but no consensus has been reached regarding their specific values.

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Participants are considering the nature of coefficients in trigonometric functions and their potential ranges, questioning assumptions about their limits. There is also a focus on ensuring the derivative aligns with the given expression.

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Hi

I have this here Trigonometri function:

F(x) = Ax cos(x) + Bx sin(x) + C cos(x) + D sin(x)


where F'(x) = x cos(x)

I'm suppose to find A, B, C , D any hints or idears on how I do that?

Sincerely
Bob
 
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Take the derivative of F(x). You know that F'(x)=x cos(x). This means the coefficient of (x cos(x)) should be 1. What can you say about the coefficients of all other terms?
 
LeonhardEuler said:
Take the derivative of F(x). You know that F'(x)=x cos(x). This means the coefficient of (x cos(x)) should be 1. What can you say about the coefficients of all other terms?

Since its trigonometry then A,B,C,D can't higher than one?

F'(x) = A (cos(x) - x *sin(x)) + B(x *cos(x) + sin(x)) + C ( -sin(x)) + D(cos(x) = x cos(x)

But how I proced from here ?

/Bob
 
Bob19 said:
Since its trigonometry then A,B,C,D can't higher than one?
No, these are just coefficients so they can be higher than 1.
It's cos(a) (and sin(a))) which are bounded between -1 and 1.

Bob19 said:
F'(x) = A (cos(x) - x *sin(x)) + B(x *cos(x) + sin(x)) + C ( -sin(x)) + D(cos(x) = x cos(x)

Your derivative seems correct, now just check what the coefficients have to be to get xcos(x).
 
The best way of doing this is that to make the left side of the expression shorter ?

/Bob

TD said:
No, these are just coefficients so they can be higher than 1.
It's cos(a) (and sin(a))) which are bounded between -1 and 1.



Your derivative seems correct, now just check what the coefficients have to be to get xcos(x).
 
Well, we have:

[tex]\begin{array}{l}<br /> F\left( x \right) = Ax\cos x + Bx\sin x + C\cos x + D\sin x \\ <br /> F'\left( x \right) = A\left( {\cos x - x\sin x} \right) + B\left( {\sin x + x\cos x} \right) - C\sin x + D\cos x \\ <br /> \end{array}[/tex]

Rearranging gives:

[tex]F'\left( x \right) = \left( {A + D} \right)\cos x + \left( {B - C} \right)\sin x - Ax\sin x + Bx\cos x[/tex]

We want this to equal [itex]F'\left( x \right) = x\cos x[/itex]

So:

[tex]\left( {A + D} \right)\cos x + \left( {B - C} \right)\sin x - Ax\sin x + Bx\cos x = x\cos x[/tex]

That should give a very simple system for the unknown coefficients A -> D
 
TD said:
Well, we have:

[tex]\begin{array}{l}<br /> F\left( x \right) = Ax\cos x + Bx\sin x + C\cos x + D\sin x \\ <br /> F'\left( x \right) = A\left( {\cos x - x\sin x} \right) + B\left( {\sin x + x\cos x} \right) - C\sin x + D\cos x \\ <br /> \end{array}[/tex]

Rearranging gives:

[tex]F'\left( x \right) = \left( {A + D} \right)\cos x + \left( {B - C} \right)\sin x - Ax\sin x + Bx\cos x[/tex]

We want this to equal [itex]F'\left( x \right) = x\cos x[/itex]

So:

[tex]\left( {A + D} \right)\cos x + \left( {B - C} \right)\sin x - Ax\sin x + Bx\cos x = x\cos x[/tex]

That should give a very simple system for the unknown coefficients A -> D

Thanks then A = 0 , D = 0, B = C = 1

Right ?

/Bob
 

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