Calculating Course and Arrival Time for a Plane with Wind-Affected Speed

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The discussion revolves around a problem in vector analysis related to a plane's flight path affected by wind. The original poster seeks to determine the correct course and arrival time for a plane flying north while contending with an eastward wind. The problem involves understanding vector components and their implications on the plane's trajectory.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss breaking down the plane's airspeed and wind speed into vector components. There is a focus on ensuring that the plane's eastward component cancels out the wind's effect. Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of angles and the implications of the wind on the flight path.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with each other's reasoning, questioning assumptions about the direction the plane must take. Some guidance has been provided regarding the need to consider the components of the plane's velocity and how they relate to the wind's influence. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct angle and speed adjustments needed for the flight.

Contextual Notes

There is some confusion regarding the lack of explicit angles provided in the problem setup, which participants are attempting to address through vector analysis. The original poster's calculations and assumptions are being scrutinized, particularly in relation to the wind's direction and its impact on the plane's course.

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I want to know if my steps taken are correct...
Thanks...

A plane has an airspeed of 235km/h. It takes off and wants to fly to a city that is directly north of it at a distance of 455km. The wind is blowing to the east east at 42km/h. Find a) The course that the pilot must steer in order to fly directly north to the city and b) the time it will take to arrive at the city.
For a, I broke it up into the vector components; 42i + 235j and took the absolute value of it to get 238.72km/h... and stated that the plane must go at this speed to the northeast.
For b) I used the formula s = ut and did 455 = 238.72*t and solved for t.

Are my methods correct or did I miss something? Thanks.
 
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Pseudo Statistic said:
I want to know if my steps taken are correct...
Thanks...

A plane has an airspeed of 235km/h. It takes off and wants to fly to a city that is directly north of it at a distance of 455km. The wind is blowing to the east east at 42km/h. Find a) The course that the pilot must steer in order to fly directly north to the city and b) the time it will take to arrive at the city.
For a, I broke it up into the vector components; 42i + 235j and took the absolute value of it to get 238.72km/h... and stated that the plane must go at this speed to the northeast.
For b) I used the formula s = ut and did 455 = 238.72*t and solved for t.

Are my methods correct or did I miss something? Thanks.
If the wind is blowing to the east and the pilot heads northeast, then the plane will end up going even farther east than if it just headed north. Also, "northeast" probably is not specific enough. The way to solve the problem is to say, ok the vector j points north and the vector i points east. Now if I want the plane to head north, then the component of the plane's speed to the east is zero. So the plane should head a little west so that its western component exactly cancels the eastern component. You know that the magnitude of the plane's velocity is 235km/h. Split it into components and set the western component of the planes speed equal to the eastern component due to the wind so that they cancel.
 
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I'm lost when you say split it up into components because I wasn't given any angles or anything...
I made a mistake, I meant it would have to go 238.72km/h to the north WEST in order to overcome this interference; i.e. it has to travel west at 42km/h...
I'm confused about what you mean.
 
Consider this vector equation:
[itex]\vec{V}_{p/g} = \vec{V}_{p/a} + \vec{V}_{a/g}[/itex]

The east-west component of the plane's air speed (plane with respect to air; p/a) must exactly cancel the air's eastward speed. Use that fact to find the angle that the plane must fly with respect to the air.
 
Alright, thanks.
From what you're saying, the angle = arctan (235/-42)? (Sorry for my ignorance)
And my answer for part B... is it correct?
 
Pseudo Statistic said:
From what you're saying, the angle = arctan (235/-42)?
No. Think this way: The plane's airspeed is fixed at 235 km/hour. But it's east-west component (its [itex]\hat{i}[/itex] component) must equal 42 km/hour west. What angle must the plane's velocity (with respect the air) make to have an x-component of - 42 km/hour?

And my answer for part B... is it correct?
You can't do part B until you find the plane's actual speed with respect to the ground. (That's the north-south component of the airspeed.)
 

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