Simple Harmonic Motion and time period

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The discussion revolves around a particle undergoing simple harmonic motion (SHM) described by a specific equation of motion. Participants are exploring the time period of the motion and the expression for total mechanical energy in relation to time.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of velocity and energy, questioning the validity of certain mathematical manipulations. There are inquiries about the periods of the individual components of motion and how they relate to the overall motion of the particle.

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The discussion is active, with various approaches being considered. Some participants suggest using basic SHM formulas for each motion component, while others question the assumptions made in the original calculations. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach, but several productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of combining two different frequencies of motion and their implications for energy calculations and the overall time period. There is mention of potential constraints related to homework rules and the need for clarity in definitions and assumptions.

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A particle follows SHM with its eqn.of motion being

s(x,y)=Asinwt i + 3Asin3wt j

What is its time period? Also find the expression for total mechanical energy wrt time.

I tried it in the following way
V=Awcoswt i + 3Awcos3wt j = Aw[(coswt)^2 +9(cos3wt)^2]^(1/2)
KE=0.5m(Aw)^2[(coswt)^2 +9(cos3wt)^2]
a= -[A(w^2){sinwt i + 9sin3wt j }]
F=ma
PE=F.s = -m[(Aw)^2{(sinwt)^2 + 27(sin3wt)^2}]
Total energy=KE + PE
= m(Aw)^2[0.5{(coswt)^2 +9(cos3wt)^2}- {(sinwt)^2 + 27(sin3wt)^2}]
Is this correct? And how to calculate the time period?
 
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"V=Awcoswt i + 3Awcos3wt j = Aw[(coswt)^2 +9(cos3wt)^2]^(1/2)"

This appears to be saying that
cos wt+ 3cos 3wt= (cos2wt+ 9cos23wt)1/2 which is NOT true.
[tex](a+ b)^2 \ne a^2+ b^2[/tex]
and
[tex]a+ b \ne \sqrt{a^2+ b^2}[/tex].

1. What is the period of cos wt?
2. What is the period of cos 3wt?

3. What is the least common multiple of those?
 
Why don't you try the basic SHM formulae for the x and y motion separately - because energy is a scalar quantity you can add these up to get the total energy. That is
[tex]U_x = \frac{1}{2}kx^2[/tex]
for the potential energy and
[tex]T_x = \frac{1}{2}mv_x^2[/tex]
for the kinetic energy. Just remember that the
[tex]\omega[/tex]
differs for the two components and use the basic relation
[tex]\omega = \sqrt{\frac{k}{m}}[/tex]
Great - if you get the same answer ! It just means you have improved the confidence in your result. Anyway, by graphing the motion for a phase from 0 to pi for
[tex]\omega t[/tex]
the mass moves from 1 to 2 ... p to 5. Thereby the x motion have completed one oscillation, while the y motion have completed one oscillation at point a, another at b and another at point 5. Henceforth the motion repeats itself. The y motion therefore runs 3x faster than the x motion.
 

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While adding two vectors A and B which are mutually perpendicular
A^2 +B^2=(A+B)^2. Hence I think I was right while finding the velocity. HallsofIvy.
Also,I think i have figured out the answer , with help from andrevdh. The total energy of particle=41m(Aw)^2=constant.The time period comes out to be 3w.
But can't we find the time period of the particle by differentiating the equation for energy twice and using a=-xw^2? Can someone please tell me how can I find the time period here using this method?
 
The period is per definition the amount of time needed to complete one oscillation. The attachment displays the motion for
[tex]\omega t[/tex]
ranging from
[tex]0\ \rightarrow 2\pi[/tex]
giving one oscillation in the x direction, but three oscillations in the y direction for the corresponding time. After this (1,2, ...,5) the motion will repeat itself. The angular frequency of the x-motion is
[tex]\omega[/tex]
while it is
[tex]3\omega[/tex]
for the y-motion. Clearly the period of the combined motion is therefore the period of the x-motion, which can be obtained from
[tex]\omega=\frac{2\pi}{T}[/tex]
See also 1,2 and 3 of HallsofIvy above.
 

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