Connection between existentialism and idealism? Help.

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The discussion explores the relationship between existentialism and idealism, particularly whether existentialism aligns with the notion that existence is dependent on mental awareness, as suggested by Berkeley's idealism. Participants examine the distinctions and potential influences between these philosophical frameworks.

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  • One participant questions if existentialism relates to idealism in the sense that nothing exists outside of the mind's awareness, referencing Berkeley's ideas.
  • Another participant argues that existentialism, particularly through thinkers like Camus, focuses on finding meaning in a world without ultimate significance, suggesting a fundamental distinction from idealism.
  • A different participant notes that while existentialism was influenced by phenomenology, it diverges from idealism, particularly in its rejection of essence and its emphasis on existence over inherent meaning.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the conceptual similarities between Berkeley's idealism and Heidegger's existentialism, highlighting a perceived significant difference in their approaches to existence.
  • A participant prompts further inquiry into the motivations behind the original question regarding the connection between existentialism and idealism.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between existentialism and idealism, with some arguing for distinct separations and others suggesting possible influences. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent of any connection.

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Participants reference various philosophical influences and concepts, but there are unresolved assumptions about the definitions of existentialism and idealism, as well as the implications of their respective claims.

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Does existentialism have to do with idealism? I mean, in the sense that nothing exists outside of the minds' awareness of it? Sort of like Berkeley's idea? Do they have anything to do with each other?
 
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The central concern of Existentialism is questioning how, in a world without some ultimate meaning, an individual is going to find meaning. For one philosopher I admire (Albert Camus), this boiled down to the question; “Is there any reason not to commit suicide?”

Basic Idealism (What is mental exists, and physical things manifest from the mind or from thought, etc.) seems quite a different thing to me. So the way I would answer you question is to say the two are distinct.
 
Does existentialism have to do with idealism? I mean, in the sense that nothing exists outside of the minds' awareness of it? Sort of like Berkeley's idea? Do they have anything to do with each other?

Not "in the sense that nothing exists outside of the minds' awareness". Existentialism, at least the Sartre and Heidegger incarnations, was extremely inflluenced by the phenomenology of Husserl (they rejected many of Husserl's core assertions, but still). The only main similarity I can think of is that existentialism denied essence, meaning is infused through existence.. But that is not so much a similarity... hmmmmm... Why do you ask? Existentialism was probably influenced by Idealism in many ways, but off the top of my head I can't name any ideas completely barrowed from it...
 
I can't imagine a greater conceptual distance than that between Berkely's tree, which was not there when nobody was looking, and Heigegger's chair, which was a dynamic bundle of thereness.
 
zk, what exactly prompted the question, in the first place?
 

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