Limits: What is "a" in the Equation?

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The discussion revolves around the terminology used to describe "a" in the context of limits in mathematics, specifically in the expression "the limit as x approaches a of (any function)." Participants explore whether "a" has a specific name and its implications in relation to limits.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that "a" does not have a specific name, while others propose it could be referred to as "the value that x approaches."
  • One participant describes "a" as "a point," noting that this terminology may not be particularly special.
  • Another participant expresses concern that calling "a" a "point" implies that the limit equals the function's value at that point, which may not always be the case.
  • There is a discussion about the structure of mathematical domains and ranges, with some participants arguing that "a" need not lie in the domain of the function for the limit to exist.
  • A humorous suggestion is made that "a" is sometimes named "Howard" or "Ozymandias."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach a consensus on whether "a" has a specific name, and multiple competing views remain regarding its implications and terminology.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the term "point" may imply certain conditions about the relationship between limits and function values, which could lead to misunderstandings. Additionally, the discussion highlights that "a" does not necessarily need to be in the domain of the function for the limit to be defined.

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I was wondering what the name for "a" is in the following example.

The limit as x approaches a of (any function).
 
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I don't think it has a specific name. Could be wrong, though.
 
I don't know of any name for it either.
 
It's called "the value that x approaches"... duh :-p
 
Madeline said:
I was wondering what the name for "a" is in the following example.

The limit as x approaches a of (any function).

"a" would be called "a point" as in "the limit of f at a point". Of course that's not a particularly special name.
 
Thanks for all your replies. I was trying to word my response to a homework question last night. It doesn't really matter at all though, but I was curious.
 
jcsd said:
"a" would be called "a point" as in "the limit of f at a point". Of course that's not a particularly special name.

Saying "point" almost implies that the limit is equal to the value of f at that point. At least that's what I think of. "A" isn't exactly a point, it's just a value in the domain.
 
Madeline said:
Saying "point" almost implies that the limit is equal to the value of f at that point. At least that's what I think of. "A" isn't exactly a point, it's just a value in the domain.

There's reason for calling it a point, a limit requires that the domain (and the range) has more structure than a primitve concept of a set; the members of the mathematical structures we require are often called points. It may almost imply something to you, but it doesn't generally as it's standard usuage.


ps a minor quibble: "a" needn't lie in the domain of some function "f" for the limit of "f" at "a" to exist.
 
I think it is usually named "Howard", but occasionally "Ozymandias".
 
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jcsd said:
There's reason for calling it a point, a limit requires that the domain (and the range) has more structure than a primitve concept of a set; the members of the mathematical structures we require are often called points. It may almost imply something to you, but it doesn't generally as it's standard usuage.

I see, I didn't realize this was a standard term.

ps a minor quibble: "a" needn't lie in the domain of some function "f" for the limit of "f" at "a" to exist.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that :). I guess what I mean to say is that point implies that there is a "point" at "a" which would mean that a is in the domain of f. But you were right that if point is standard usage, then it doesn't really matter what it implies.
 

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