Matrices, I can't seem to cancel out any more elements

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of equations involving matrices and understanding the implications of free variables in the context of linear algebra. Participants are exploring the relationships between variables and the process of expressing solutions in terms of free variables.

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  • Participants discuss the challenges of performing row operations on matrices and the implications of having more variables than equations. Questions arise about how to express solutions using free variables and the reasoning behind specific values chosen for those variables.

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The conversation is active, with participants attempting to clarify the process of expressing solutions in vector form. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of free variables and the concept of linear combinations, but there remains uncertainty about specific calculations and interpretations of the professor's examples.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the values assigned to the variables and the implications of those assignments in the context of the equations presented. Participants are questioning the assumptions made in the examples and the nature of the problem being discussed.

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Hello everyone, every row operation I make now is taking out the 0's i just made, any ideas on what I can do from here?
Here is my work:
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/5573/lastscan2ah.jpg

Also I was confused on how this works, my professor did an example:
3x+2y+z = 8;
x = a
y = b
z = 8 - 3a - 2b
I get this part but then he does the following:

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1337/eeeeeee1ut.jpg

Where is he getting those values? The first one looks like he let a = 0 and b = 0, then ur left with just 8, but I'm not sure.
Thanks.
 
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You have 3 equations and 5 unknowns, so you will have 2 free variables. You can't reduce it any more than that.
 
hm...What do i do from there then? How can you solve the system?
 
He's just writing it as a sum of vectors multiplied by some coefficient. For example,

3+x 3 1 0
x^2 = 0 *1 + 0 *x + 1 *x^2
X^2-4x+7 7 -4 1

or if you write it out as 3 separate equations, which it actually is,

3 + x = 3*1 + 1*x + 0*x^2
x^2 = 0*1 + 0*x + 1*x^2
x^2-4x+7 = 7*1 + -4*x + 1*x^2
 
Why does it look like all he is doing is letting a and b equal 0 in the first one, which will make 0 0 8 then he's letting a = 1, and b = 0, and finding the values then, letting a = 0 and b = 1, and then finding the values?
 
Because that is what he is doing! There are 3 equations in 5 unknowns. You can solve for 3 of the unknowns (x,y,z) in terms of the other 2 but those 2 (a and b) can be anything. To write a general formula your teacher is saying, "First,suppose a= 1, b= 0. The x,y,z= something written as a vector v1. Now, suppose a= 0, b=1. Okay, then x,y,z= something else written as a vector v2. " The general formula is then av1+ bv2. That's a linear combination that obviously gives the correct answer when a=1, b=0 and when a=0, b=1 and that's enough to show it is the general solution to this linear problem.

(Oh, the bit about letting a= 0, b= 0 is because this is not a "homogeneous" problem.)
 
Well if that is infact what's going on, then how is this possible?>
3x+2y+z = 8;
x = a
y = b
z = 8 - 3a - 2b

Okay he let a = 0, b = 0, so z = 8
a = 1, b = 0, he has z = -3
z = 8 -3(1) - 2(0) = 5?
then he has
a = 0; b = 1; z = -2
z = 8 -3(0) -2(1) = 6?
but he has -2.
 

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