Perform mathematical calculations like addition

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The discussion revolves around the foundations and nature of mathematical calculations, particularly focusing on addition and subtraction within various number systems, including the decimal system and alternatives like binary and hexadecimal. Participants explore the conceptual underpinnings of these systems and their implications for mathematical reasoning.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the basis of mathematical operations like addition and subtraction, questioning the significance of the decimal system's limited digits.
  • Another participant suggests that the study of mathematics transcends the specific number system used, indicating that proofs and theorems do not rely heavily on the digits themselves.
  • A request for clarification on the initial question is made by another participant.
  • One participant describes the process of representing quantities in the decimal system and expresses difficulty with hexadecimal notation, questioning the necessity of different numbering systems.
  • Another participant asserts that any base (2 and up) can be used to represent real numbers, implying that the decimal system is not uniquely special.
  • A participant discusses the historical context of the decimal system, linking it to human anatomy (digits on hands/feet) and contrasts it with binary, octal, and hexadecimal systems used in computing.
  • This participant elaborates on the concept of number systems as languages, where digits serve as an alphabet, and the structure of these systems follows a counting order, suggesting that new systems could theoretically be developed.
  • It is noted that different number systems can be bijections of each other, maintaining a one-to-one correspondence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of perspectives on the nature of number systems and their relevance to mathematical operations, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' statements reflect assumptions about the relationship between number systems and mathematical reasoning, which may not be universally accepted. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the necessity and structure of different numbering systems.

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My question seems to be so idiotic.please forgive me for that.On what basis we perform mathematical calculations like addition and subtraction?As for as decimal system is concerned we have only 10 uncontinuos digits.but we are doing so much magic(I don't know whether I am using the correct word)with them.I am amazed.
 
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I believe the study of mathematics has very little to do with our number system.

We (or atleast I) don't think much of numbers 1 to 10 when writing proofs, and theorems.
 
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We use digits starting from 0 to 9 and then repeat the same numbers by adding prefix from the numbers that we know but in a proper manner.In practice If there where ten balls, in decimal system it is represented by 10 .Is it a mere encodification?I feel difficult when I use Hex integers where we use 0-9&A-F.Why can't we have some other means of numbering?
 
You can use any number (2 and up) as a base to represent any real number. Nothing terribly special about 10.
 
the decimal system is just our language reference( ibelieve in in history its associated with our digits on our hands/feet)...int comptuer world you deal with binary,octs,hexs. I believe some researchers are trying to work on a tertiary system.
The reason we use binar/ocs/hex is because of the powers of 2...binary being the simplest system for a computer...

now if your talking about language theory(compsci/math) ...then the digits are our alphabet like goku said...and you can have as many digits in the alphabet.
and then you string them up to make a word(in this case a number)...now from settheory(and i think predicate calc/ or turing machines...the one that studies pred/succ)...your words follow an order(counting order and they must be sequenced because the number system represents counting) so in binary {0 1 10 11 etc.} and in decimals you get { 0 1 2 ..9, 10 etc}...each time you add an extra letter to the word its because you ran outta counting room...but remember you can't add new letters to the alphabet you can use only preexisting ones. so the sensible thing is to add the next letter infront fo the previous word. By all means I'm sure you could make a new system wher eyou add 2 letters to the front...but addign one ist he simplest.

And note that all these different number systems are bijections between each other because they are 1-1 & ONTO.
 

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