Series Math Problem: Proving a_i - n_i is a Multiple of 7

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical problem of proving that the expression a_i - n_i is a multiple of 7 for all i > 1, where a_i is defined recursively and n_i is a simple arithmetic sequence. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and proof techniques, particularly induction.

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  • Post 1 introduces the sequences n_i = i and a_i = 8 a_{i-1} + 1, posing the question of whether a_i - n_i is a multiple of 7 for i > 1.
  • Post 2 calculates specific values, showing that for i=2, a_2 - n_2 = 7, suggesting a pattern but noting the geometric nature of a_i versus the arithmetic nature of n_i.
  • Post 3 provides initial values for both sequences, indicating the rapid growth of a_i compared to n_i.
  • Post 4 suggests using proof by induction and emphasizes the importance of expressing a_{n-1} in terms of congruences mod 7.
  • Post 5 elaborates on a potential approach to relate a_i and i through summation and congruences, but notes that this is not a complete proof.
  • Post 7 proposes a direct approach to show that a_n - n is congruent to 0 mod 7, using the assumption that a_{n-1} is congruent to (n-1) mod 7 and deriving the result for a_n.

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Participants express various approaches to the problem, with some suggesting proof by induction while others explore direct calculations. There is no consensus on a definitive proof or method, and multiple viewpoints on the approach remain present.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the complexity of the sequences involved and the need for careful handling of congruences. The discussion includes various assumptions about the behavior of the sequences without fully resolving them.

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[tex]n_1 = 1[/tex]

[tex]a_1 = 1[/tex]

[tex]n_i = i[/tex]

[tex]a_i = 8 a_{i-1} + 1[/tex]

Is it possible to show that [tex]a_i - n_i[/tex] is a multiple of 7 for all [tex]i > 1[/tex]?
 
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By my calculation, for i=2 you have a_2 = 8(a_1)+1 = 9, while n_2 = 2. So a_2 - n_2 = 7. And it just gets worse, since the a sequence is essentially geometric and the n sequence is arithmetic.
 
Well, here are the first few values of this series:

n_i a_i
1 1
2 9
3 73
4 585
5 4681
 
You can do a proof by induction. For your inductive step it will be useful to express [itex]a_{n-1}[/itex] in a congruence mod 7.
 
First, you can do something like this in paper:
ai = 8ai - 1 + 1 = 8(8ai - 2 + 1) + 1 = 82ai - 2 + 8 + 1 = 82(ai - 3 + 1) + 81 + 1 = 83ai - 3 + 82 + 81 + 1 = 84ai - 4 + 83 + 82 + 81 + 1 = 84ai - 4 + 83 + 82 + 81 + 80 (since 80 = 1) ... and finally, you can relate ai and a1.
So ai = 8i - 1ai - (i - 1) + 8i - 2 + 8i - 3 + ... + 82 + 81 + 80 = 8i - 1a1 + 8i - 2 + 8i - 3 + ... + 82 + 81 + 80 = 8i - 1 + 8i - 2 + 8i - 3 + ... + 82 + 81 + 80 (Since a1 = 1).
So you have:
[tex]a_i = \sum_{k = 0} ^ {i - 1} 8 ^ k[/tex] (1), for all i >= 1.
This part helps you get the relation between ai and i (but it's not a proof), then you can prove (1) by induction.
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So [tex]a_i - i = \left( \sum_{k = 0} ^ {i - 1} 8 ^ k \right) - i[/tex].
Note that [tex]8 \equiv 1 \mbox{ mod } 7[/tex].
So what can you say about: [tex]\sum_{k = 0} ^ {i - 1} 8 ^ k \equiv ? \mbox{ mod } 7[/tex]
Viet Dao,
 
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I'll give it a shot.
 
Actually, the problem is pretty simple. What you have to prove is that
[tex]a_n - n\equiv 0 mod7[/tex]
or
[tex]a_n\equiv n mod7[/tex]
You know that for n=2 this is true. Now suppose
[tex]a_{n-1}\equiv(n-1) mod 7[/tex]
Then
[tex]a_n=8a_{n-1} +1 = 7a_{n-1} +a_{n-1} +1\equiv a_{n-1} +1mod7[/tex]
It is easily taken from there to show that this is congruent to n.
 

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