What is the concept of infinity and its relation to physical quantities?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of infinity, particularly in relation to physical quantities and mathematical interpretations. Participants explore the nature of infinity, its implications in mathematics, and how it is applied or understood in physical contexts.

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  • Some participants suggest that infinity is more of a concept than a number, indicating that it cannot be quantified in traditional terms.
  • One participant describes infinity as a quantity without bound, greater than all finite quantities, using the example of natural numbers to illustrate this point.
  • There is a discussion about measuring the "size" of infinite sets, with references to different measures such as cardinality and the implications of mapping intervals.
  • Another participant notes that when a physical quantity is described as infinite, it often refers to a mathematical abstraction where theories may break down.
  • One participant emphasizes that the symbols +∞ and -∞ in analysis do not relate to the sizes of sets, suggesting a distinction between mathematical and physical interpretations of infinity.

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Participants express various interpretations of infinity, leading to multiple competing views on its nature and implications. The discussion remains unresolved, with differing perspectives on how infinity should be understood in both mathematical and physical contexts.

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Limitations include the lack of consensus on definitions of infinity, the dependence on specific mathematical frameworks for measuring size, and the unresolved nature of how infinity applies to physical quantities.

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My question is simple,

What is INFINITY?

How big or small is it?

What does one mean when he/she says that something(generally a physical quantity) is infinite?

Please help me with this.
 
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It's more of a concept rather than a number. So when you say "infinite," you can't really say how large it is.
 
Rainbow said:
My question is simple,

What is INFINITY?

How big or small is it?

It's bigger than that.
 
Rainbow said:
My question is simple,

What is INFINITY?

How big or small is it?

What does one mean when he/she says that something(generally a physical quantity) is infinite?

Please help me with this.

Infinity generally refers to a quantity that is without bound, ie., it is greater than all finite quantities. For example, the amount of natural numbers in the set of natural numbers is infinite because if the amount was a natural number, one could always find a natural number greater than that number by adding 1 to your number, contradicting the hypothesis that the amount is a natural number.
When referring to the "size" of an infinite set, one must then define how one wants to measure "size". For example, the set of all real numbers in the unit interval [0,1] is infinite but the interval [0,2] is larger than [0,1]. That's one way. But there is a problem. If you let f(x)=2x, you not only get f([0,1]) = [0,2], but each element in [0,1] is associated with a unique element in [0,2], giving the impression that [0,1] and [0,2] somehow have the same amount of elements. This is another measure of size called cardinality.
When one says a physical quantity is infinite, one is usually referring to a mathematical abstraction of the quantity, ie., slope, density, etc. It is usually a place in the equations where the theory breaks down and one relies on intuition to associate the infinity with a physical situation.
 
Infinity generally refers to a quantity that is without bound, ie., it is greater than all finite quantities.

Those two phrases are not synonymous: any quantity serves as its own bound (both upper and lower bound). :-p


I should point out that the +∞ and -∞ one sees in analysis (and thus in physics) has absolutely nothing to do with sizes of sets.
 

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