Proving Non-Conservation of Force in x-y Plane

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The discussion revolves around a force in the x-y plane defined by F = A(10ai + 3xj), where A and a are constants. The problem involves demonstrating that this force is not conservative by calculating the work done along two different paths as a particle moves from (4m, 1m) to (4m, 4m).

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  • Participants discuss the need to compute work done along two distinct paths and question the method of using scalar products for work calculations. There is mention of breaking the force into components and integrating to find work done.

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Participants are exploring different methods to calculate work done by the force along specified paths. Some guidance has been provided regarding the need for two paths and the integration of force components, but no consensus has been reached on the specific calculations or methods to be used.

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There is an emphasis on the requirement to compute work for at least two different paths, and participants are questioning the assumptions and definitions related to conservative forces.

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I have problem on this am not sure with my solution.

A force of x-y plane is given by F = A(10ai+3xj),where A and a are constants.F is in Newtons and x is in meters.Suppose that the force act on a particle as it moves from position x=4m,y=1m to a final position x=4m,y=4m.Show that this force is not conservative by computing the work done by the force for at least two different paths.

I have tried to draw the xy axis diagram and getting the rectangular with x=4 and y=3,do I pluged it in scalar product of W.D=F.X AND F.Y respectively? am I right?
 
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kidia said:
I have problem on this am not sure with my solution.

A force of x-y plane is given by F = A(10ai+3xj),where A and a are constants.F is in Newtons and x is in meters.Suppose that the force act on a particle as it moves from position x=4m,y=1m to a final position x=4m,y=4m.Show that this force is not conservative by computing the work done by the force for at least two different paths.

I have tried to draw the xy axis diagram and getting the rectangular with x=4 and y=3,do I pluged it in scalar product of W.D=F.X AND F.Y respectively? am I right?

You need two different paths, say r1 and r2, which move between (4m, 1m) and (4m, 4m). Then compute the work done by the force on each of these two paths, and compare the results. If the force is conservative, you will get the same answer no matter how your particle travels between these two points.

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Break F into [itex]F_x[/itex] and [itex]F_y[/itex] and use

[itex]W_x= \int F_x dx[/itex] and similarily for W_y , since work is a scalar add them , now try to calculate the swork through a different path . and see if both turn out to be the same

BJ
 
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