How Do You Calculate the Angle Between Two Surfaces at a Given Point?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the angle between two surfaces at a specified point, specifically the surfaces defined by r²=9 and x+y+z²=1, as well as analyzing the height of a hill described by a given function. The participants are exploring concepts related to gradients and normal vectors in a multivariable calculus context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss finding normal vectors to the surfaces and the relevance of gradients. There are inquiries about how to start the calculations and the methods for determining maximum points on the hill's surface.

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Some participants have provided insights into finding normal vectors and suggested methods for approaching the problems. However, there is still a lack of consensus on the initial steps for the first problem, and further clarification is sought by some participants.

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There is a mention of the class focus being on derivation rather than application, which may contribute to the participants' uncertainty in applying concepts to these problems. Additionally, some participants express confusion regarding the interpretation of the surfaces and the calculations involved.

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If someone could gtive me a general idea about how to approach these problems, I would be very grateful! Our class time was devoted to derivation rather than application.

1) Find the angle between the surfaces defined by r^2=9 and x+y+z^2=1 at the point (2,-2,1).

2) The height of a hill is given by z = 2xy - 3x^2 - 4y^2 - 18x +28y +12. x is the distance east and y is the distance north of the origin. i) Where is the top of the hill and how high is it? ii) What is the angle between a vector perpendicular to the hill and the z axis? I really have no idea where to start with this one!
 
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don_anon25 said:
If someone could gtive me a general idea about how to approach these problems, I would be very grateful! Our class time was devoted to derivation rather than application.

1) Find the angle between the surfaces defined by r^2=9 and x+y+z^2=1 at the point (2,-2,1).

Find the angle between the normal vectors. Since you labled this "gradients" I presume you know how to find those normal vectors!

2) The height of a hill is given by z = 2xy - 3x^2 - 4y^2 - 18x +28y +12. x is the distance east and y is the distance north of the origin. i) Where is the top of the hill and how high is it? ii) What is the angle between a vector perpendicular to the hill and the z axis? I really have no idea where to start with this one!
i) Do you know how to find the maximum of a function of two variables? Do you remember how to find the maximum of y= f(x) from Calculus I? (Find the derivative and set it equal to 0. Same here!)
ii) A vector along the z-axis is 0i+ 0j+ 0k. Do you know how to find a vector perpendicular (normal) to a surface? (Think "gradient vector". {3 dimensional, not 2!})
 
I understand 2a now! But could you elaborate a little more on the first problem? How do I start?
 
1) Find the angle between the surfaces defined by r^2=9 and x+y+z^2=1 at the point (2,-2,1).

r2= 9? Is that in polar coordinates? The sphere of radius 3? Must be since (2, -2, 1)satisfy that. In that case, a normal vector is easy! Any radius is perpendicular to a sphere so 2i- 2j+ k is normal to the sphere at (2, -2, 1).

To find a normal vector to x+y-z2= 1, think of it as a level surface of the function F(x,y,z)= x+ y- z2. The gradient of F, i+ j- 2zk, is normal to that suface at each point. In particular, taking z= 1, i+ j- 2k is normal to that surface at (2, -2, 1). Now, what is the angle between the vectors 2i- 2j+ k and i+ j- k?
 

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