What is the Limit of Multivariable Function at the Origin?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around evaluating the limit of a multivariable function as it approaches the origin, specifically the expression cos(x² + y²) - 1 divided by x² + y². Participants explore various techniques for tackling this limit, including parameterization and coordinate transformations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to approach the limit problem, mentioning difficulties with level sets and derivatives in multiple variables.
  • Another participant points out a potential error in the original expression and questions the application of L'Hôpital's rule in this context.
  • Some participants suggest that for the limit to exist, it must yield the same value regardless of the direction of approach to the origin.
  • There is a proposal to parameterize lines through the origin to investigate the limit, with a caution that this method alone may not suffice to prove the limit exists.
  • One participant advocates for converting to polar coordinates as a method to simplify the limit evaluation, noting that this transformation reduces the number of variables involved.
  • Another participant corrects the expression and suggests that using L'Hôpital's rule after converting to polar coordinates can lead to a limit of 0.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the methods to evaluate the limit. While some support the use of polar coordinates and L'Hôpital's rule, others emphasize the need for caution in assuming the limit exists based solely on linear approaches.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions about the behavior of the function near the origin and the implications of different approaches to evaluating the limit. The discussion highlights the complexity of multivariable limits and the potential for differing results based on the path taken.

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lim of

cos((x^2 + y^2) - 1)/(x^2 + y^2)

as (x,y) approaches (0,0)

I have no clue how to tackle this problem. I tried to find the level set so at least I can have a clue of what the graph looks like, but then, I didn't know how to find the level sets either. If I set c = the equation, I have 2 unknowns so I cannot solve, and its not an obvious graph like a circle or something. On the other hand, I tried l'hopitale but that needs the derivative and what in the world am i taking a derivative in terms of since there are 2 variables?

I'm very confused. PLEASE HELP! :bugeye:
 
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you have an intermediate form of lahopital's theorey of the form 1/0
do you know how to do these?
 
I think he's missing a parenthesis -- the numerator is supposed to be cos(x²+y²) - 1. (P.S. 1/0 is not indeterminate, and AFAIK it's not L'Hôpital theory)

eutopia: what techniques have you seen used for similar problems? There is one in particular that makes this problem very simple.


its not an obvious graph like a circle or something.

Are you sure about that?
 
For the limit to exist it has to exist regardless of the direction from which you are approaching the point. Parameterize lines passing through the origin and see if you can get that.
 
As you said, the limit has to exist (and be the same value) for any way you approach the origin -- just looking at the lines isn't good enough.
 
"Lines through the origin", suggested by MalleusScientiarum, will help show that a limit does not exist by getting, hopefully, different limits on different lines. But they can't prove that a limit DOES exit (or find it) since even if the limit is the same along all lines, there might be other curves, not lines, passing through the origin that give a different limit.

The best way to handle ANY limit problem in more than one variable (going to (0,0) or (0,0,0), etc.) is to change to polar (spherical, etc.) coordinates since that way one variable, r (ρ, etc.) measures the distance to (0,0) directly! In this case, that's easy since x and y only appear in x2+ y2= r2.

The original function,
[tex]\frac{cos((x^2 + y^2) - 1)}{x^2 + y^2}[/tex]
becomes
[tex]\frac{cos(r^2-1)}{r^2}[/tex]
which clearly goes to infinity as r goes to 0.

Hurkyls suggested correction,
[tex]\frac{cos(x^2+y^2)-1}{x^2+y^2}[/tex]
becomes
[tex]\frac{cos(r^2)-1}{r^2}[/tex]
which now has only one variable and can be done by L'Hopital's rule. (The limit is 0.)
 

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