Are people defined by their actions?

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The discussion explores the question of what defines a person, focusing on the roles of actions, thoughts, and the interplay of genetics and environment in shaping identity. It encompasses philosophical considerations, psychological perspectives, and the implications of personal experiences.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a person's identity is primarily defined by their mind and thoughts, suggesting that actions are merely reflections of internal processes.
  • Others argue for a dual concept of identity, distinguishing between the "Person" (the thinker) and the "person" (the actor), emphasizing the importance of both aspects.
  • One participant highlights the interaction of genetics and environment as crucial in defining who a person is, suggesting that both factors contribute significantly to identity.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that while actions and thoughts are both important, thoughts may be more foundational since actions typically originate from them.
  • A participant raises the point that individuals who do not take actions, such as those with disabilities, still possess a personality and identity that transcends their actions.
  • Concerns are expressed about the implications of intentions versus actions, with one participant arguing that actions can reflect inner workings regardless of intentions.
  • Another participant discusses the complexity of how DNA and environmental influences interact, suggesting that while DNA provides a framework, environmental factors play a significant role in shaping decisions and perspectives.
  • One perspective emphasizes that true definition comes from a person's ability to overcome challenges imposed by their circumstances, suggesting a dynamic view of identity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the definition of a person, with no consensus reached on whether actions, thoughts, or a combination of both are more defining. The discussion remains unresolved with various perspectives on the influence of genetics and environment.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of defining identity, with discussions touching on the limitations of relying solely on actions or thoughts. There is also recognition of the variability in individual experiences and the influence of past experiences on decision-making.

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What would you consider makes a person who they are? Their actions? Or some more internal sense of 'self'? Or something else?
 
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I think that what makes someone what they are, in other words, what gives them their identity, is their mind. What (and if!)someone thinks is the most important part of that person. Actions just show what someone is thinking.
 
You are talking about two different concepts, both important, and you are trying to choose which one to assign the term 'person' to.

One of these concepts, the body which acts, is important in our daily lives. We must deal with "persons" of this kind in order to get on with living.

The other one, the thinker, is important to anyone who thinks.

Rather than choose one arbitrarily, how about adopting a convention where we capitalize any word which refers to the thinker and use lower case for any word which refers to the physical body?

That way, the Person is the thinker, but the person is the actor. Similarly, i am typing this response at the moment, but I gave it a little thought before i did.

Paul
 
The interaction of genetics + environment makes each person "who and what they are".
 
I would say actions thoughts both play strong roles though really you could probably simplify this to just thoughts considering that almost all actions originate in thought. One way or another intentions are incredibly important to actions and you lose them if you only regard the actions and not their origins.
 
if you made no actions at all, you would still learn by others' actions & your inputs. look at someone disabled from birth, there is more to them & their personality than their actions
 
I hope not. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"... i hate that quote... cause basically its saying that no matter how you felt or wanted or though, you do something wicked and go to hell, no matter if your thoughts were well intended and pure...

i think people are "defined" already, and our actions are just the reflection of our inner workings interacting with the world around us.
 
I think a person becomes a whole from a couple of things. Each persons DNA has some very strict programming. It does not entirely define a person, but it is kind of like the framework for a building. Once the person is exposed to an environment they begin to learn the environments values.

There is a lot of controversy regarding how much impact an environment has on a person. Some people seem to think everything about a person derives from an environment. I find this hard to believe due to the fact that different people under the same circumstances make different decisions. However I could be wrong. People make decisions based on past experiences. If there is not past experience to relate to, all the person can do is guess. Different thought processes will occur between different people because each person has a unique perspective on the environment. They might all see the same objects, but each person will have their own feelings and ideas about the environment.

I would say environmental programming defines a person more than DNA. DNA however holds pieces to the big puzzle. It defines who has the most potential to become an alcoholic for instance. Despite the fact that DNA might indicate this, it does not guarantee a persons character will not overcome this.

What truly defines a person is their ability to show strength beyond what has been forced upon them.
 
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