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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of the expression \((\frac{x-1}{x+4})^{3x+1}\) as \(x\) approaches infinity. The subject area includes calculus, specifically limits and the application of L'Hôpital's rule.

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  • The original poster attempts to evaluate the limit by taking the natural logarithm and rewriting it to apply L'Hôpital's rule. Some participants question the differentiation step taken by the original poster, suggesting a potential oversight regarding the Chain Rule. Others introduce alternative methods for evaluating the limit, including a reference to a related limit involving the expression \((1+\frac{a}{x})^x\).

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations and approaches to the limit. Some guidance has been offered regarding the differentiation process, and alternative perspectives on evaluating the limit have been introduced.

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There is a mention of whether the limit must be evaluated rigorously using L'Hôpital's rule or if a more intuitive approach is permissible. Additionally, hints are provided that suggest a relationship to a known limit form.

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the following limit is to be evaluated as x-->infinity

[tex](\frac{x-1}{x+4})^{3x+1}[/tex]

here is the work I've done

taking the natural log:

[tex]3x+1 ln(\frac{x-1}{x+4})[/tex]

to make it an indeterminant form i write it in the following way:

[tex]\frac{ln\frac{x-1}{x+4}}{\frac{1}{3x+1}}[/tex]

applying l'hopital's rule to this yields:

[tex]\frac{\frac{x+4}{x-1}}{\frac{-3}{(3x+1)^2}}[/tex]

simplifying:

[tex]\frac{x+4(3x+1)^2}{-3(x-1)}[/tex]

now noticing that the degree of the numerator is 3 and the denominator is 1, the limit as x--> infinity is infinity.. exponentiating gives e to the infinity...the answer to this is apparently 0 as i found when i graphed the function...where did i go wrong and how to correct this?
 
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thenewbosco said:
applying l'hopital's rule to this yields:

[tex]\frac{\frac{x+4}{x-1}}{\frac{-3}{(3x+1)^2}}[/tex]

That step is wrong. If you differentiate [itex]\ln(\frac{x-1}{x+4})[/itex], you get:

[tex]\frac{d}{dx}\ln(\frac{x-1}{x+4})=\frac{x+4}{x-1}\frac{d}{dx}(\frac{x+4}{x-1})[/itex].<br /> <br /> You forgot about the Chain Rule.[/tex]
 
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Just for thought...are you to evaluate it using the limiting process and l'hopital's rule or are you permitted to just eyeball it? Cuase if you only need to eyeball it, I got a neat pointer for ya. If not, no worries
 
That is much like this limit
[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow\infty}\left(1+\frac{a}{x}\right)^x=e^a[/tex]
try to make use of this
 
I have a hunch it's something like [itex]e^{-15}[/itex].

Hint

[tex]\frac{x-1}{x+4}=1-\frac{5}{x+4}[/tex]

and the one in post #4.

Daniel.
 

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