Permutations of prime ministers

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The discussion revolves around the permutations of prime ministers A, B, C, D, E, F, and G from seven countries, focusing on specific arrangements based on the order of speaking. The original poster seeks assistance in calculating the number of arrangements under certain conditions.

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  • Participants explore various counting methods for arranging the prime ministers while adhering to specific conditions about their speaking order. Some suggest using factorial calculations to determine the number of arrangements, while others question the reasoning behind the results and seek quicker methods.

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The discussion includes attempts to calculate arrangements based on given conditions, with some participants providing numerical results. However, there is a lack of clarity on how these results were derived, and participants are actively seeking alternative approaches or confirmations of their reasoning.

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The prime ministers A, B, C, D, E, F and G of 7 countries will address at a summer meeting.
a) Find the number of arrangerments that can be made so that
1)A will speak before C,
2)A will speak before C and C will speak before E.
b)In how many of those ways in a2) will C speak immediately after A?

I stump in this question. :confused:

Thanks :smile:
 
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a.1) A: 1st~6th position, C takes a 2th~7th one, count the two numbers, then just do a multiplication on both (A gets the first one, C runs from 2~7, A get the second one, C runs from 3 to 7...etc )
a.2) A: 1st~5th, C is in 2~6, E is in 3~7, then do the same as a.1's(...)
b)Because there are only 7 groups, counting is a natural, easy way to reasoning a solution, this b question still can be done in the same fashion.
 
The answer from a1 to b are 2520, 840 and 360 respectively.

I don't know how to obtain the result from the above counting.

Thanks for your answering.

Also, are there any quicker methods of doing this question?
 
1) 7 ! / 2 !

2) 7 ! / 3!

3 ) 6 ! / 2 !
 

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