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The discussion revolves around electric potential energy and the behavior of charged spheres in an electric field. The original poster is examining the effects of moving a positively charged sphere A closer to another positively charged sphere B, focusing on concepts of electric potential, work done by forces, and the direction of electric fields.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the direction of the electric field between two positively charged spheres and how this affects electric potential and work done. Participants discuss the nature of electric fields and forces acting on the charged objects, questioning the assumptions about movement and energy.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the work done by forces and the implications of moving in the direction of the electric field. Some have provided clarifications regarding the forces at play, while others are still grappling with the concepts of work and potential energy in this context.

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There is a focus on the specific roles of forces and electric fields, with some participants emphasizing the need to consider only the electric field produced by sphere B when analyzing the situation. The original poster expresses confusion about certain parts of the problem, particularly regarding the work done by the electric field and the applied force.

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Hello everyone i have the following picutre:
http://www.webassign.net/hrw/24_02.gif
And I'm having troubles with some of the questions I answered some of them and i was wondering if u could check to see if i did those right and to see if you can help me on the one i didn't do:

Figure 24-22 shows three paths along which we can move positively charged sphere A closer to positively charged sphere B, which is held fixed in place.

Well the rule is for part (a) Electric Potential alwasy decreases in the direction of the eletric field. But we have 2 positved charged particles. How is there an eletric field? does an E-field go from positive to negative? So what direction would the e-field even be pointing?
Figure 24-22
(a) Would sphere A be moved to a higher or lower electric potential?
higher
lower
(b) Is the work done by our force positive, negative, or zero?
positive
[negative]
zero
(c) Is the work done by the electric field due to B positive, negative, or zero?
positive
negative
zero
(d) Rank the paths according to the work our force does, greatest first (use only the symbols > or =, for example 1=2>3).
1 = 2 = 3

Thanks! I'm also confused on (c), first i need a way to figure out what direction the e-field is going then i'll be okay maybe!
 
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Objects cannot push on themselves, except internally
so the E-field that is noticed by (important for) object A
is the E-field produced by object B (alone, not the sum).

The question author even told you in part (c):
only pay attention to the E-field due to B !

Objects are effected by OTHER things ...
this is the same rule for Electric potential
that you had for Electric Field, and Gravity Field,
and every Force on its Free-body-diagram ...
 
thanks! so since sphere A is moving towards its electric field, its Electric potenial must be decreasing also because B is fixed, does that mean work is zero? because u need movement for work to happen right?
 
What??

Object A is moving toward object B;
A is moving toward the *source* of the E-Field.

The E-Field is everywhere, so A can't move toward it.

A's displacement vector points
in the opposite direction that the E-Field points.
Since q(A)>0 the displacement is opposite F_on_A .

It's hard to move an object opposite
the other Force ... it takes Energy!
Object A's PE is increased by our hand,
so (since q(A) >0) A is moved to higher Potential

Work is done ON the object that is moving ,
by the Force that is applied TO the moving object,
so WE DON"T CARE about the Work done on B!
 
Thahnks for the explanation! it helped a lot, but I'm still confused on somthing...
I understand part (a), I also understand part (d). But The answers for part (b) and (c) i don't get. The answer for (b) Is the work done by our force positive, negative, or zero? Answer: Positive.
Okay, "Our" force, I'm assuming is the electric force on A by B. So here is my diagram.
F1 = Force of moving the charge.
F2 = Electric Feild from B on A.
d = distance A is moving.

<---F1--(A)--F2--->
<---d---
W = FD
W = qEdcos(x)
W = (+1.6C)(-1N/C)(+1m)(cos(180));
W = (+)(-)(+)(-) = +
ohhh, i think i just explained it by asking the question, did I prove that right?

Okay for (c)
Is the work done by the Electric field due to B positive, neg, or 0.
Well isn't this the same as part (b)?
The efield on A is pushing it away, A is moving in the opposite direction of the E-field, so wouldn't it also be:
W = (+)(-)(+)(-) = + ?

THanks again!
 
Object A's PE is increased by our hand

that's what the author refers to
by the words "our Force".
Our Force on A is opposite the electric force on A.
 

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