Circular motion of a ferris wheel

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The discussion revolves around the circular motion of a passenger on a Ferris wheel, specifically focusing on the passenger's acceleration as the wheel starts up. The passenger is at the lowest point of the circular path, moving at a speed of 3.00 m/s and experiencing a tangential acceleration of 0.500 m/s². The radius of the wheel is given as 14.0 m.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between radial and tangential acceleration, noting that they are components of the total acceleration. Questions arise about how to calculate the magnitude and direction of the total acceleration, as well as the meaning of tangential acceleration in this context.

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Several participants are attempting to clarify the concepts of radial and tangential acceleration, with some expressing confusion about the definitions and calculations involved. There is an ongoing exploration of how to combine these components to find the total acceleration, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework problem, which may limit the information available for discussion. There is also a mention of potential misunderstandings regarding the formulas and concepts involved in circular motion.

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circular motion ferris wheel

The Ferris wheel in the figure , which rotates counterclockwise, is just starting up. At a given instant, a passenger on the rim of the wheel and passing through the lowest point of his circular motion is moving at 3.00 m/s and is gaining speed at a rate of 0.500 m/s^2. The radius of the wheel is 14.0 m. link for pic

How do I Find the magnitude of the passenger's acceleration at this instant.

The formula arad=v^2/r does not work. How do I solve it?

How do I find the direction of the passenger's acceleration at this instant in degrees to the right of vertical?
 
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anyone? Help please!
 
[itex]\mathbf{a}_{rad}[/itex] and [itex]\mathbf{a}_{tan}[/itex] are perpendicular and components of the same acceleration [itex]\mathbf{a}[/itex]. That is [itex]\mathbf{a}_{rad} + \mathbf{a}_{tan} = \mathbf{a}[/itex].

How do I find the direction of the passenger's acceleration at this instant in degrees to the right of vertical?
What sort of acceleration increases the magnitude of velocity?
 
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still completely confused
 
[tex]|\mathbf{a}_c| = \frac{v^2}{r}[/tex]
[tex]|\mathbf{a}_t| = \mbox{0,500 }m/s^2[/tex]

[tex]\mathbf{a}_c + \mathbf{a}_t = \mathbf{a}[/tex]
[itex]\mathbf{a}_c[/itex] and [itex]\mathbf{a}_t[/itex] are perpendicular.
What is [itex]|\mathbf{a}|[/itex]?
 
what? what is at, and how is that 0,500 m/s^2
 
Sorry, I changed the indexes :)
[itex]|\mathbf{a}_t|[/itex] is the magnitude of the tangential acceleration. That is the acceleration that changes the magnitude of velocity (you've probably noticed that in uniform circular motion the magnitude of velocity remains unchanged, even though the particle's accelerated by a centripetal force. This force only changes the direction of the particle).

Now there's tangential acceleration involved, which is tangent to the path and thus accelerates the particle along the path. This means that the magnitude of velocity changes too.
[tex]|\mathbf{a}_t| = \frac{d|\mathbf{v}|}{dt}[/tex]

EDIT: Actually the latter equation's a bit dodgy as [itex]|\mathbf{a}_t|[/itex] must be equal to or greater than 0, and [tex]\frac{d|\mathbf{v}|}{dt}[/tex] can be anything.
So, I suppose, a better way to say that would be something like
[tex]a_t = \frac{d|\mathbf{v}|}{dt}[/tex]
where [tex]\mathbf{a}_t = a_t \hat{\mathbf{t}}[/tex]
 
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I drew an image for you.
I forgot there was a problem to solve :), so this one's a more general one.
http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0042uf.jpg

EDIT: [itex]\mathbf{a}[/itex] should be a bit more to the left (in the picture), as [itex]\mathbf{a} = \mathbf{a}_c + \mathbf{a}_t[/itex].
 
Sorry, for my elementary understanding, but what is d in the formula for at?
I know that ac=.643 m/s^2, but I can't figure out how to solve for at.
 
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Ah, d's for derivatives:
[tex]a = \lim \limits_{\Delta t \to 0} \frac{\Delta v}{\Delta t} = \frac{dv}{dt}[/tex]
If you're not familiar with that, just ignore it.

I'll try a different approach:
Tangential acceleration is parallel to (tangential) velocity, which means that that is acceleration changing the magnitude of velocity. Centripetal acceleration does indeed affect the velocity, but only by turning its direction. It does not change the particle's speed (that is, the magnitude of velocity).
Thus [itex]a_t =\mbox{0,500 }m/s^2[/itex]

Add the vectors and calculate the magnitude of the result-vector:
[tex]a = \sqrt{a_c^2 + a_t^2}[/tex]
 

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