How Does a Spring Attached to a Pivoting Rod Demonstrate Simple Harmonic Motion?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a slender, uniform, rigid rod pivoting at its center with a spring attached to its end. The objective is to demonstrate that the motion of the system can be described by simple harmonic motion (SHM) equations, specifically \(\frac{d^2\theta}{dt^2} = -\omega^2\theta\) and \(T = \frac{2\pi}{\omega}\). Participants are exploring the setup and the relationships between forces, torques, and angular acceleration in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are discussing the setup of the problem, including the position of the spring and the implications of the small angle approximation. There are questions about the best approach to set up the equations, particularly regarding the forces exerted by the spring and the resulting torque on the rod.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the problem setup and exploring various angles of approach. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of torque and forces, but no consensus has been reached on the best method to proceed.

Contextual Notes

There is some uncertainty regarding the exact configuration of the rod and spring, particularly in relation to the wall or anchor point. The small angle approximation is allowed, but its application in the context of the problem is being questioned.

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I am working on a problem that has a few angles of approach. I am hoping to get at least that right before I waste too much more time. The problem is a slender, uniform, rigid rod is placed to pivot on its center, so that the rotation is taking place at the ends of the rod.

then a spring is attached to the bottom. small angle approximation allowed. initial displacement is [itex]\theta[/itex]

We are to show [itex]\frac{d^2\theta}{dt^2} = -\omega^2\theta[/itex] and [itex]T = \frac{2\pi}{\omega}[/itex] and show how those imply SHM.

My problem is in setting up the equations. I was going to show that the rotational kinetic energy plus the spring potential energy was a constant... but I am guessing after working on it that approach isn't the best.. Any tips?
 
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Maybe it's just me but I don't understand the setup of the problem. Where is the spring exactly?!
 
um, let's describe it like this. a rod is vertical, and pinned at its midpoint. a spring is attached to its end and a wall or some arbitrary anchor. in my little drawing, the rod appears to be fixed to pivot on its endpoint, but let's assume there is a length above it of equal length, such that there is no gravity input here.

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|. \
| . \
| . . \---*spring*----| <- wall

dots are just to hold spacing.
 
I assume the relaxed length of the spring is equal to the distance between the rod (when it is vertical) and the wall.

In this case, define a "coordinate system" like so

|\
|. \
| . \
| . . \---*spring*----| <- wall
|-x->

Theta is the angle between the rod and the vertical.

What is the force the spring exerts on the bottom of the rod? How can you use the small angle approx to express that in terms of theta? What torque does that force exerts about the CM of the rod (again, use small angle approx)? How is torque related to angular acceleration?

With the answer to all these questions, you should be good to go.
 

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