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The problem involves two rocks launched from points A and B on the ground, with equal speeds but different angles, landing at each other's launch points. The challenge is to determine the minimum distance between the rocks during their flight, expressed in terms of the distance d and the launch angle \vartheta. The context is projectile motion.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive an expression for the minimum distance using kinematic equations and a quadratic formulation. Some participants question the validity of the assumptions made regarding the distance hitting zero and suggest alternative approaches to compute the time at which the distance is minimized.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights and questioning the assumptions made in the calculations. There is a recognition that the derived minimum distance seems unreasonably large, prompting further exploration of the mathematical methods involved.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the quadratic equation's application and its implications for the minimum distance, as well as concerns about the values derived from specific angle and distance inputs.

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Two points A and B are located on the ground a certain distance d apart. Two rocks are launched simultaneously from points A and B with equal speeds but at different angles. Each rock lands at the launch point of the other. Knowing that one of the rocks is launched at an angle [tex]\vartheta[/tex]> 45 degrees with the horizontal, what is the minimum distance between the rocks during the flight? Express your answer in terms of d and [tex]\vartheta[/tex]

Hm.. this is a very hard problem for me so I hope anyone could help me check this over, as there are lots of rooms for mistakes. Thanks in advance.

4 base equations that I used for solving:
[tex](1) x = V_{0}cos\vartheta t[/tex]
[tex](2)V_{2x} = V_{0}cos\vartheta[/tex]
[tex](3)y = V_{0}sin\vartheta t + \frac{1}{2}(-g)(t)^2[/tex]
[tex](4)V_{2y} = V_{0}sin\vartheta + (-g)(t)[/tex]

[tex]D^2 = (x_{2} - x_{1})^2 + (y_{2} - {y_{1})^2[/tex]

Rock 1:
[tex]x_{1} = V_{0}cos \vartheta t[/tex]
[tex]y_{1} = V_{0}sin \vartheta t - \frac{1}{2}gt^2[/tex]

Rock 2:
[tex]x_{2} = d - V_{0}cos \phi t[/tex]
[tex]y_{2} = V_{0}cos \phi t - \frac{1}{2}gt^2[/tex]

[tex]cos \phi = cos(90 - \vartheta) = sin \vartheta[/tex]
[tex]sin \phi = sin (90 - \vartheta) = cos \vartheta[/tex]

[tex]x_{2} - x_{1} = d - V_{0}(cos \vartheta + sin \vartheta)t[/tex]
[tex]y_{2} - y_{1} = V_{0}(cos \vartheta - sin \vartheta)t[/tex]

[tex]Let A = d, B = -V_{0}(cos \vartheta + sin \vartheta) and c = V_{0}(cos \vartheta + sin \vartheta)[/tex]

[tex]D^2 = (A + Bt)^2 + (Ct)^2[/tex]
[tex]= A^2 + 2ABt + B^2t^2 + C^2t^2[/tex]
[tex]= A^2 + 2ABt + (B^2 + C^2)t[/tex]

Recall quadratic equation = ax^2 + bx + c
[tex]Let a = B^2 + C^2, b = 2AB and c = A^2[/tex]

Minimum = vertex
[tex]x = \frac{-b}{2a}[/tex]
[tex]... y_{min} = a(\frac{-b}{2a})^2 + b(\frac{-b}{2a}) + c[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{ab^2}{4a^2} - \frac{b^2}{2a} + c[/tex]

[tex]... d_{min} = \sqrt\frac{4A^2B^2 - 2(4A^2B^2) + A^2}{4(B+C)}[/tex]
[tex]= \sqrt\frac{-A^2B^2 + A^2(B^2 + C^2)}{B^2 + C^2}[/tex]
[tex]= \sqrt\frac{A^2C^2}{B^2 + C^2}[/tex]
 
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Substitute for A, B and C

[tex]d_{min} = \sqrt\frac{d^2V_{0}^2(cos \vartheta + sin \vartheta)^2}{[-V_{0}(cos \vartheta - sin \vartheta)]^2 + [V_{0}(cos \vartheta - sin \vartheta)]^2}[/tex]

[tex]= \frac{dV_{0}(cos \vartheta + sin \vartheta)}\sqrt { V_{0}^2(1- 2cos \vartheta sin \vartheta) + V_{0}^2(1- 2cos \vartheta sin \vartheta)}[/tex]
 
sorry for the separate messages.. but the preview keeps showing me my previous equations -_-

[tex]= \frac{dV_{0}(cos \vartheta + sin \vartheta)}{V_{0} \sqrt 2 ( 1 - 2 cos <br /> \vartheta sin \vartheta)}[/tex]

[tex]= \frac{d(cos \vartheta + sin \vartheta)}{\sqrt 2 ( 1 - 2 cos <br /> \vartheta sin \vartheta)}[/tex]
 
With d = 1 m, and [itex]\vartheta[/itex] = 40 degrees, from your equations I get the minimum distance as 66 m, which does seem a bit too big.

In the quadratic equation you've assumed the distance hits zero. This is not the case:
[tex]A^2 + 2ABt + (B^2 + C^2)t^2 = D^2 \ne 0[/tex]

So, your c should be: c = A2 - D2

EDIT:
I got [tex]|\mathbf{r}|_{min} = \frac{d}{2}\sqrt{(\sin(2 \theta)-1)^2+(2 \sin ^2 \theta - 1)^2}[/tex]
But I'm not too convinced :)
 
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oh yes 66m does seem unreasonably big.
 
Oh, I suppose there's no use trying to solve t from the quadratic equation (you'd just end up with the same variables).
You should rather figure out a way to compute t when distance is at its minimum.

Hint: There's a mathematical method for this.
 

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