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Oxymoron
Sep29-05, 01:51 AM
Let \mathcal{H} be a Hilbert space over \mathbb{C} and let T \in \mathcal{B(H)}.

I want to prove that \|Tx\| = \|x\| \, \Leftrightarrow \, T^{\ast}T = I for all x \in \mathbb{H} and where I is the identity operator in the Hilbert space.

Since this is an if and only if statement I began with the reverse inclusion:

(\Leftarrow)

Suppose T^{\ast}T = I, then for every x \in \mathcal{H} we have

\|Tx\|^2 = \langle Tx\,|\,Tx \rangle = \langle x\,|\,T^{\ast}Tx \rangle = \langle x\,|\, x \rangle = \|x\|^2

And therefore T is isometric (after taking square roots of both sides).

But now with the forward inclusion I am having some difficulties.

(\Rightarrow)

Suppose that T is isometric. Then for every x \in \mathcal{H} we have

\|Tx\|^2 = \|x\|^2
\Rightarrow \, \langle Tx\,|\,Tx \rangle = \langle x\,|\,x \rangle
\Rightarrow \, \langle T^{\ast}Tx \,|\, x \rangle = \langle x\,|\,x \rangle
\Rightarrow \, \langle (I-T^{\ast}T)x\,|\,x \rangle = 0

Now since I-T^{\ast}T is self-adjoint and we know that for self-adjoint operators

\|T\|_{op} = \sup \{\langle Tx\,|\,Tx \rangle \,:\, \|x\| = 1\}

then \|I - T^{\ast}T\|_{op} = 0 and therefore T^{\ast}T = I.

This last bit in red I dont understand. Does anyone know how to explain it?

Oxymoron
Sep29-05, 04:07 AM
In other words I want to prove that \|Tx\| = \|x\| \, \Leftrightarrow \, T^{\ast}T = I and Im not sure how to do the \Rightarrow bit.

looth
Sep29-05, 06:16 AM
Hi,
After
\Rightarrow \, \langle (I-T^{\ast}T)x\,|\,x \rangle = 0
Just express I-T^{\ast}T as its spectral representation and then
take x as eigen vector. You can get I-T^{\ast}T=0.

Actualy, the proof can be found in most of the relevent textbooks, for example
Hirvensalo's Quantum computing provides another method to proof it.

Hopefully my comment could help you.
regards
looth

Oxymoron
Sep29-05, 08:13 AM
Ah yes of course - I remember that. Thanks.

Oxymoron
Sep29-05, 10:38 AM
Actually I dont remember

Oxymoron
Sep29-05, 10:54 AM
Oooh...I came up with something else!

From the Polarization identity we know that a bounded linear operator T is isometric if and only if it preserves the inner product. Now, since I want to prove that T is isometric if and only if T^{\ast}T = I. Therefore, T is isometric if and only if \langle Tx\,|\,Ty \rangle = \langle x\,|\,y \rangle (preserving the inner product), and continuing on...

T \mbox{ is isometric } \Leftrightarrow \langle Tx\,|\,Ty \rangle = \langle x\,|\,y \rangle
T \mbox{ is isometric } \Leftrightarrow \langle x\,|\,T^{\ast}Ty \rangle= \langle x\,|\,y \rangle
T \mbox{ is isometric } \Leftrightarrow T^{\ast}T = I

Therefore T is isometric if and only if T^{\ast}T = I. So I have proven both if statements in one go. How does this look?

HallsofIvy
Sep29-05, 11:08 AM
If \|I - T^{\ast}T\|_{op} = 0 then
\sup \{\langle (I-T)x\,|\,(I-T)x \rangle:\|x\|= 1 \}= 0
Since that can never be negative that says
\langle (I-T)x\,(I-T)x\rangle= 0
for all x which means that (I-T)x= 0 for all x so I-T= 0 and T= I.

Oxymoron
Sep29-05, 11:25 AM
Yes! Straight from the definition of the operator norm. Thanks Halls.

Oxymoron
Sep29-05, 11:43 AM
Ok so I have

\|Tx\|^2 = \|x\|^2 \Rightarrow \langle (I-T^{\ast}T)x\,|\,x \rangle = 0

And from here I want to use that fact that

\|I-T^{\ast}T\|_{op} = 0

To do what Halls said in his post.

BUT, I am missing the step where I go from

\langle (I-T^{\ast}T)x\,|\,x \rangle = 0

to

\|I-T^{\ast}T\|_{op} = 0

Im not sure how to jusify this step.

Oxymoron
Sep29-05, 11:53 AM
Forget I wrote that.

Im using the operator norm of (I-T^{\ast}T) to discover that (I-T)x = 0.

Hurkyl
Sep29-05, 05:19 PM
Try computing


\langle (1 - T^*T)x \, | \, (1 - T^*T)x \rangle


. :tongue2:

Oxymoron
Sep30-05, 07:32 AM
\langle (I-T^{\ast}T)x \,|\, (I-T^{\ast}T)x \rangle = \langle (I-T^{\ast}T)(I-TT^{\ast}x \,|\, x \rangle

= \langle (I^2 - TT^{\ast} - T^{\ast}T + (T^{\ast}T)(TT^{\ast}))x\,|\, x\rangle Note I^2 = I.

= \langle (I - TT^{\ast} - T^{\ast}T + T^2T^{\ast 2})x\,|\,x \rangle Since T^2 = T and T^{\ast 2} = T^{\ast}

= \langle (I - TT^{\ast} - T^{\ast}T + TT^{\ast})x\,|\,x \rangle

= \langle (I - T^{\ast}T)x\,|\,x \rangle

Does this look right?

This only works if T = T^2. Can I assume this?

Oxymoron
Sep30-05, 07:48 AM
Hold on, why am I computing this?

djeipa
Sep30-05, 08:10 AM
\langle (I-T^{\ast}T)x \,|\, (I-T^{\ast}T)x \rangle = \langle (I-T^{\ast}T)(I-TT^{\ast}x \,|\, x \rangle

= \langle (I^2 - TT^{\ast} - T^{\ast}T + (T^{\ast}T)(TT^{\ast}))x\,|\, x\rangle Note I^2 = I.

= \langle (I - TT^{\ast} - T^{\ast}T + T^2T^{\ast 2})x\,|\,x \rangle Since T^2 = T and T^{\ast 2} = T^{\ast}

= \langle (I - TT^{\ast} - T^{\ast}T + TT^{\ast})x\,|\,x \rangle

= \langle (I - T^{\ast}T)x\,|\,x \rangle

Does this look right?

This only works if T = T^2. Can I assume this?

Yes, of course.

djeipa
Sep30-05, 08:17 AM
i think these kinds of problems are just another face of vector, matrix computations. you are trying to prove if one vector in H is considered to be perpendicular to itself.

Oxymoron
Sep30-05, 10:16 AM
Im still struggling to understand this.

I am fine up to

\Rightarrow \langle (I - T^{\ast}T)x \,|\, x\rangle = 0

I know that I - T^{\ast}T is self-adjoint.

And I know that it has a norm:

\|I-T^{\ast}T\|_{op} = \sup\{\langle(I-T^{\ast}T)x\,|\,x \rangle \, : \, \|x\| = 1\}

by the definition of the operator norm.

Now, from the exercise that Halls made me do I know this norm is the same as

\|I-T^{\ast}T\|_{op} = \sup\{\langle (I-T^{\ast}T)x \,|\, (I-T^{\ast}T)x \rangle

Now where do I go?

I don't see how Halls wrote in his post:
Quote:
\sup\{(I-T)x\,|\,(I-T)x\rangle \,:\, \|x\| = 1\} = 0

I dont see how we have gone from (I-T^{\ast}T) tp (I-T).

Hurkyl
Sep30-05, 10:35 PM
Does this look right?
No: (I - T^*T)^* = (I - T^*T), and generally T^*TTT^* \neq T^2 (T^*)^2, and why do you think T^2 = T?

But you're approaching the problem in the wrong way, and haven't used most of the properties of an inner product!

Hold on, why am I computing this?
Because you wanted to know its supremum over all unit vectors x. :tongue2:

Oxymoron
Oct1-05, 12:29 AM
Hi Hurkyl,

The operator norm

\|S\|_{op} = \sup\{\langle Sx\,|\,x \rangle \,:\, \|x\| = 1\}

works for any continuous operator between normed vector spaces right? And in particular will work for any self-adjoint operator. I know that (I-T^{\ast}T) is self adjoint because (I-T^{\ast}T) = (I-T^{\ast}T)^{\ast}. So

\|(I-T^{\ast}T)\|_{op} = \sup\{\langle(I-T^{\ast}T)x\,|\,x \rangle \,|\, \|x\| = 1\}

But we know that \langle (I-T^{\ast}T)x\,|\,x \rangle = 0. Therefore, from the operator norm and the supremum we deduce that

\|(I-T^{\ast}T)\|_{op} = 0

Therefore (I-T^{\ast}T) = 0 \Rightarrow T^{\ast}T = I.

This looks fine to me. But that doesn't mean anything. Please tell me if I have made a mistake.

Hurkyl
Oct1-05, 07:56 AM
\|S\|_{op} = \sup\{\langle Sx\,|\,x \rangle \,:\, \|x\| = 1\}
No. I know it works when S has a complete set of eigenvectors, because this definition (correctly) picks off the eigenvalue with the largest magnitude, but this does not work for everything.

For example, let S be rotation by pi/2 radians, and your normed (real) vector space be R². You have that <Sx|x> = 0 for all x!

I don't have a handy example of a nondiagonalizable matrix over C³ to test.

I guess 1 - T^*T has a complete spectrum over C, since it is self-adjoint, so the analog of my comment about having a complete set of eigenvectors would apply, making the proof valid.


By the way, you can directly prove that

\langle (1 - T^*T)x \, | \, (1 - T^*T)x \rangle = 0

given just the assumption that T is isometric.

Oxymoron
Oct1-05, 10:24 AM
If T is unitary, then

T^{\ast}T = TT^{\ast} = I.

I want to prove that T is unitary if and only if T is a surjective isometry.


Now I haven't proved it yet, but I just want to ask a question before we go on. This statement is similar to the one we have just been looking at, except now T^{\ast}T = I AND TT^{\ast} = I, plus we have that T needs to be surjective.

My question is: Will proving both T^{\ast}T = I AND TT^{\ast} = I require the surjective hypothesis? Is that the difference here?

Hurkyl
Oct1-05, 12:35 PM
Exercise: find an isometry of [0, &infin;) that is not invertible.

Oxymoron
Oct1-05, 12:45 PM
Not sure I understand that exercise Hurkyl, sorry.

An isometry is an operator which preserves distance (preserves the norm). If an isometry is not invertible, then it can't be written as T^{-1}, therefore it is not a bijection(?).

Oxymoron
Oct1-05, 12:55 PM
For the forward inclusion

(\Rightarrow)

Suppose T^{\ast}T = TT^{\ast} = I. Then

\|Tx\|^2 = \langle Tx\,|\,Tx \rangle = \langle x\,|\,T^{\ast}Tx \rangle = \langle x\,|\,x \rangle = \|x\|^2

Then take square roots.

Am I correct to assume that I do not need to use surjectiveness in this part of the proof?

Hurkyl
Oct1-05, 01:14 PM
You are correct, if an isometry is not invertible, then it is not a bijection. (Because you can prove, as functions on sets, that a function is bijective iff it is invertible)

The exercise is not a direct answer to anything you asked -- it is more to remind you of a common technique good for generating counterexamples.


Am I correct to assume that I do not need to use surjectiveness in this part of the proof?
Yes, but you didn't know it was surjective to begin with! Remember that surjectiveness is half of what you were trying to prove in the (=>) direction!

Oxymoron
Oct2-05, 07:25 AM
With the (\Leftarrow) proof I found that it is almost exactly the same as the proof for \|Tx\| = \|x\| \Rightarrow T^{\ast}T = I.

Does the difference occur when

\|Tx\|^2 = \|x\|^2 \Rightarrow \langle Tx\,|\,Tx \rangle = \langle x\,|\,x \rangle

\Rightarrow \langle x\,|\,T^{\ast}Tx \rangle = \langle x\,|\,x \rangle

\Rightarrow \langle x\,|\,TT^{\ast}x \rangle = \langle x\,|\,x \rangle

\Rightarrow \langle x\,|\,(I-TT^{\ast})x \rangle = 0

and solve as usual (like we did before)? If not, is this a good start anyway?

Hurkyl
Oct2-05, 10:13 AM
Maybe I'm just having a memory blank, but how did you go from


\langle x \, | \, T^*T x \rangle = \langle x \, | \, x \rangle


to


\langle x \, | \, TT^* x \rangle = \langle x \, | \, x\rangle


?

The thing you want to prove is that I - T^*T = 0, so I don't understand why you're involving TT^* in the first place...

Oxymoron
Oct2-05, 11:15 AM
!!

This is what is meant to be:

\|Tx\|^2 = \|x\|^2 \Rightarrow \langle Tx\,|\,Tx \rangle = \langle x\,|\,x \rangle

\Rightarrow \langle T^{\ast}Tx\,|\,x \rangle = \langle x\,|\,x \rangle

\Rightarrow \langle x\,|\,TT^{\ast}x \rangle = \langle x\,|\,x \rangle

\Rightarrow \langle x\,|\,(I-TT^{\ast})x \rangle = 0

Actually Im not even sure THIS is right

Hurkyl
Oct2-05, 11:48 AM
Exercise: compute (T^*T)^*, showing and justifying every step.

Oxymoron
Oct2-05, 12:02 PM
Ok. But Im not too good under pressure :bugeye:

If we take T:\mathcal{H}_1 \rightarrow \mathcal{H}_2, that is, a bounded linear operator between two Hilbert spaces. Then T^{\ast}:\mathcal{H}_2 \rightarrow \mathcal{H}_1. So now we take any element x \in \mathcal{H}_2 and apply T^{\ast} and then T, ie the composition, we have

(T \circ T^{\ast})(x) = x \in \mathcal{H}_2

That is, after operating on x by the two operators in the correct order we should end up back where we started.

Now (T^{\ast}T)^{\ast} means we do the same process in reverse order. And we get

(T^{\ast}T)^{\ast} = (T)^{\ast}(T^{\ast})^{\ast} = T^{\ast}T

How does this look?

Hurkyl
Oct2-05, 12:25 PM
Yes, that looks right. (Actually, all I was looking for was the last LaTeX image! :smile:)

I'm not sure anymore I guessed correctly what mistake you were making...

I had been assuming that when you went from

\langle T^{\ast}Tx\,|\,x \rangle = \langle x\,|\,x \rangle

to

\langle x\,|\,TT^{\ast}x \rangle = \langle x\,|\,x \rangle

that you went through the intermediate step

\langle x\,|\, (T^{\ast}T)^{\ast}x \rangle = \langle x\,|\,x \rangle

and had simplified incorrectly... if this isn't what you did, then what did you do?

Oxymoron
Oct3-05, 03:47 AM
Yes, that is the mistake I made.

Is the following step correct?

\quad \quad \langle Tx\,|\,Tx \rangle = \langle x\,|\,x \rangle

\Rightarrow \langle T^{\ast}Tx \,|\,x \rangle = \langle x\,|\,x \rangle?

Hurkyl
Oct3-05, 07:25 AM
Yes it is.

Oxymoron
Oct8-05, 10:31 AM
Just re-stating the question

Prove that T^{\ast}T = TT^{\ast} = I \Leftrightarrow T is surjective and \|Tx\| = \|x\|\quad \forall \, x \in \mathcal{H}.

(\Rightarrow)

Suppose T^{\ast}T = TT^{\ast} = I. Then

\|Tx\|^2 = \langle Tx\,|\,Tx \rangle = \langle x\,|\,T^{\ast}Tx \rangle = \langle x\,|\,x \rangle = \|x\|^2

and the result is obtained after taking the square root.

Now as Hurkyl said, this is only half of the \Rightarrow proof. So now we have to prove that T is surjective.

Well (im not sure if this proves surjectiveness?)

\|Tx\|^2 = \langle Tx\,|\,Tx \rangle = \langle x\,|\,T^{\ast}Tx \rangle = \langle x\,|\,TT^{\ast}x\rangle = \langle T^{\ast}x\,|\,T^{\ast}x \rangle = \|T^{\ast}x\|^2

Hurkyl
Oct8-05, 11:08 AM
I don't see what that has to do with surjectiveness. :frown: You've almost said in this thread what is necessary to prove surjectiveness... I'll give you a hint: you only need to consider T as a function on sets.


By the way, here is an example of why you need the surjective hypothesis, if you haven't come up with it yet:

One answer to my exercise is to consider the isometry on [0, \infty) defined by translating to the right. This is one of the basic tricks for generating counterexamples: to have some sort of infinite thing and shift towards the open end.

Here's an actual example of an linear operator on a Hilbert space that is an isometry:

Consider the space l², the space of square summable sequences -- right shifting is an isometry of this space, but is clearly not a surjection, and not invertible.

Oxymoron
Oct8-05, 11:44 AM
I don't see what that has to do with surjectiveness. You've almost said in this thread what is necessary to prove surjectiveness... I'll give you a hint: you only need to consider T as a function on sets.

Well, if I treat T as a function on sets. And we know that T^{\ast}T = TT^{\ast} = I then operating on a set by T and then T* does nothing to that set. The same occurs by doing it backwards (T* and then T). If T^{\ast}T does the same thing to a set as TT^{\ast} does, then T^{\ast}T is invertible, no?



Consider the space \ell^2, the space of square summable sequences -- right shifting is an isometry of this space, but is clearly not a surjection, and not invertible.

Is that because right-shifting on this space preserves the norm of elements in \ell^2, but it is not a surjection because 0 does not have an inverse(?) - a surjective isometry means that every element in [0,\infty) has to have an pre-image. But if the operation is right-shifting then 0 is not the image of any element under the operation. So the operation is not surjective.

Excuse me for thinking out aloud. So there does exist an isometry which is not surjective(?) hence not invertible. BUT if there was an isometry which WAS surjective then it WOULD be invertible (?).

When you say invertible, do you by any chance T^{\ast}T = TT^{\ast} = I.

Hurkyl
Oct9-05, 12:31 PM
If S and T are operators, and ST and TS do the same thing, that just means they commute. Surely you can find examples of commuting operators whose product is not invertible?

And even if ST is invertible, that does not mean S and T are invertible.


In my example, if we right-shift 0 (=(0, 0, 0, ...)), we get zero, so it does have a pre-image. In fact, 0 has at least one pre-image under any linear operator. (the proof is easy)


What condition is necessary for an arbitrary surjection to be invertible? Does an isometry satisfy that condition?


When I say T is invertible, I mean that there exists some S such that ST = TS = I. (In other words, exactly what it means for T to be an invertible function on sets, and also exactly what it means for T to be an invertible element of a ring)

Oxymoron
Oct11-05, 08:46 AM
Hurkyl, I see your point.

For the forward implication, if I suppose that TT^{\ast} = T^{\ast}T = I then T is isometric! (by the very definition - and it was also proved earlier in this thread). By hypothesis now, T obviously has an inverse, namely T^{\ast} is the inverse of T (because by acting on T by T^{\ast} we get the identity and this is the very definition of inverse from group theory, and other places).

From this we can conclude that T is an isomorphism, which means that it is certainly an surjective isometry.


For the reverse implication, suppose that T is a surjective isometry. Then T has an inverse which is also isometric (because since T is an isometry, T^{\ast}T = I by definition).
From this we can deduce that T^{-1} = IT^{-1} = T^{\ast}TT^{-1} = T^{\ast}I = T^{\ast}.

How does this look?

Hurkyl
Oct11-05, 05:03 PM
T^*T = I by definition
By what definition? I can't think of any that would let you conclude that.

Oxymoron
Oct11-05, 05:38 PM
Definition:

T is an isometry if and only if T*T = I

i.e.

\|Tx\| = \|x\| \Leftrightarrow T^{\ast}T = I \quad \quad \forall\, x\in \mathcal{H}

Hurkyl
Oct11-05, 07:31 PM
This must be the source of your confusion -- that's not the definition of an isometry.

An isometry is a transformation that preserves the metric. I.E. if T is a map from X to Y, then T is an isometry if and only if d_X(a, b) = d_Y(Ta, Tb) (where d_X is the metric on X)

In a normed linear space, this is equivalent to the statement: a linear map T is an isometry if and only if ||a||_X = ||Ta||_Y. (Where || \cdot ||_X is the norm on X)

Oxymoron
Oct15-05, 10:45 AM
Wait a minute! Is isometry and isometric the same thing?

Because T is isometric if and only if T*T = I

Oxymoron
Oct15-05, 10:54 AM
Remember, we are in Hilbert spaces. Does that make a difference?

Hurkyl
Oct15-05, 12:27 PM
Wait a minute! Is isometry and isometric the same thing?
Ack, maybe it's the source of my confusion. :smile: For some reason, I was thinking an "isometry" just had to be distance preserving, not that it also had to be an isomorphism. :frown:

(Incidentally, isometric is an adjective, and isometry is a noun. :tongue2:)

The right shift operator is merely distance-preserving, and is not an isomorphism.

But T^*T = I is still not the definition of isometry.

Furthermore, if we let E be the right-shift operator on l², then if my algebra is right, E^* is the left-shift operator, and clearly E^*E = I is true, so your if and only if is incorrect.

(The definition of T^* is that it's the map such that \langle Tv|w\rangle = \langle v | T^*w\rangle for all v, w, right?)