Related rates volume pouring in and out question

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The problem involves a conical cistern with water being poured in at a specified rate while also leaking. The scenario describes the relationship between the volume of water, its depth, and the rate at which the water level is rising.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the rates of water entering and leaking from the cistern, using variables to express the height and radius of the water cone. There are attempts to derive the volume of water in terms of these variables and to differentiate to find the rates involved.

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r3dxP
At a rate of 10ft^3/min, water is pouring into a conical cistern that is 16ft deep and 8ft in diameter at the top. But the cistern has developed a small leak. At the same time the water is 12ft deep, the water level is observed to be rising at 1/3 ft/min. How fast is the water leaking out?

i got .. Vout = 1.46ft^3/min
is this answer correct? if not, what is the correct answer and why?
 
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r3dxP said:
i got .. Vout = 1.46ft^3/min
is this answer correct? if not, what is the correct answer and why?
That is wrong, how did you arrive at that?

vnet=vin-vout
vi=10
the height of water at time t can be
h(t)
the radius of the water cone can be expressed in terms of height
r(h(t))
you know
r(0)=0
r(16)=4
and
r(t)=a+b*h(t) for real numbers a and b
(it is a linear function)
V(t)=pi*r(h(t))^2*h(t)/3
you know for some time t
h(t)=12
h'(t)=1/3
find
V'(t)
use h(t) and h'(t) to write V(t) as a number then
vout=vin-V'(t)
 
lurflurf said:
That is wrong, how did you arrive at that?

vnet=vin-vout
vi=10
the height of water at time t can be
h(t)
the radius of the water cone can be expressed in terms of height
r(h(t))
you know
r(0)=0
r(16)=4
and
r(t)=a+b*h(t) for real numbers a and b
(it is a linear function)
V(t)=pi*r(h(t))^2*h(t)/3
you know for some time t
h(t)=12
h'(t)=1/3
find
V'(t)
use h(t) and h'(t) to write V(t) as a number then
vout=vin-V'(t)

oh thanks a lot.
so as for the answer, i got Vout = 10-9*pi = 10-9*3.14 = -18.26
so conclusion : water is pouring out at a rate of 18.26 ft^3/s when water is 12ft deep.
is that correct?
 
r3dxP said:
oh thanks a lot.
so as for the answer, i got Vout = 10-9*pi = 10-9*3.14 = -18.26
so conclusion : water is pouring out at a rate of 18.26 ft^3/s when water is 12ft deep.
is that correct?
That should be 10-3*pi
a negative vout would imply water is coming in
 

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