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The discussion revolves around methods for calculating the sine function without a calculator, exploring various mathematical approaches, including Taylor series, symmetries, and known angle values.

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  • Some participants suggest using a sine table as a method to find sine values without a calculator.
  • One participant presents the Taylor series expansion for sin(x) and discusses its convergence properties, particularly for small values of x.
  • Another participant mentions using symmetries of the sine function to simplify calculations, such as sin(2) being equal to sin(pi - 2).
  • There is a suggestion to calculate sine values using known angles (30, 45, 60, 90 degrees) and applying trigonometric identities like double and half-angle formulas.
  • A participant references the CORDIC method as a technique used by calculators and computers for sine calculations.
  • One participant corrects another regarding the Taylor series for sine and cosine, providing the correct expansions and highlighting a mix-up in the terms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple methods for calculating sine, with some disagreement on the details of the Taylor series. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach or method to use.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the accuracy of their calculations and the implications of mixing up sine and cosine series.

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I have always used a calculator to find the sin when the angle is given. But how would you figure this out if you didn't have a calculator
 
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box said:
I have always used a calculator to find the sin when the angle is given. But how would you figure this out if you didn't have a calculator
Look up in a sine table.
 
[tex]\sin x=x-x^3/6+x^5/120-...[/tex]
One can use the symmetries of the function to avoid large values of x (where convergence is slow) and only ever have to calculate with x as large as pi/2. For example, sin(2)=sin(pi-2)=sin(1.14159..). One can even do better by using the expansion of cosine:
[tex]\cos x=1-x^2/2+x^4/24-...[/tex]
Then using sin^2+cos^2=1, you only need the series up to x=pi/4. The series converges very quickly for such small x.
 
...and to a limited extent you can calculate them by hand using the angles you already know (30, 45, 60, 90, etc.) with identities such as the double and half-angle formulas.
 
You can use the Taylor's series for sin(x)= x- x2/2+ x4/4!- x6/6!+ ... where the general term is (-1)nx2n/(2n)! and a few terms should get you pretty good accuracy.

My understanding is that calculators and computers actually use the "CORDIC" method:
http://www.dspguru.com/info/faqs/cordic.htm
 
HallsofIvy said:
You can use the Taylor's series for sin(x)= x- x2/2+ x4/4!- x6/6!+ ... where the general...
There's a slight error there... You just mixed up the Taylor expansion for sin(x), and cos(x) :smile:.
[tex]\sin x = x - \frac{x ^ 3}{3!} + \frac{x ^ 5}{5!} - \frac{x ^ 7}{7!} + ... = \sum_{n = 0} ^ {\infty} \frac{(-1) ^ n}{(2n + 1)!} x ^ {2n + 1}[/tex]
[tex]\cos x = 1 - \frac{x ^ 2}{2!} + \frac{x ^ 4}{4!} - \frac{x ^ 6}{6!} + ... = \sum_{n = 0} ^ {\infty} \frac{(-1) ^ n}{(2n)!} x ^ {2n}[/tex]
Viet Dao,
 
Oops!

No wonder I keep getting my trig problems wrong!
 

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