Is the friction always a bad force?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the role of friction in various contexts, questioning whether it is always a detrimental force. Participants explore its implications for motion, acceleration, and everyday activities such as walking and driving.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that friction is beneficial for stopping vehicles and enabling walking, while others question the traditional view that friction always opposes motion.
  • One participant points out that on surfaces with low friction, such as ice, movement becomes difficult, indicating the necessity of friction for certain activities.
  • There is a discussion about the conditions under which friction and motion can act in the same direction, such as when an object is on a conveyor belt or when tires of a car accelerate without slipping.
  • Another participant emphasizes that friction acts to oppose slipping between surfaces, which can lead to scenarios where it aids motion, such as in the case of accelerating vehicles.
  • One participant mentions the fundamental role of friction in the existence of life, suggesting that it is essential for movement and survival.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of friction and its relationship to motion. While some agree that friction can be beneficial, others maintain that it typically opposes motion, leading to an unresolved discussion on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference high school teachings about friction and motion, indicating a potential misunderstanding or oversimplification of the concepts. The discussion highlights the complexity of friction's role in various physical scenarios.

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IF it is not,which situations does the presence of friction allow us?
 
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not sure I understand the question, but friction is certainly good for stopping a car!
 
matt.o said:
not sure I understand the question, but friction is certainly good for stopping a car!

of course,but ı didn't mean that,

does the friction allow us to walk or cars to accelerate?
 
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maria curie said:
of course,but ı didn't mean that,
does the friction allow us to walk or cars to accelerate?

Try walking or driving on ice where there's very little friction.

Zz.
 
yeah..I am confused...in the high school teachers said' friction's and motion's direction are always opposite to each other'
now ı know it is not true.all right, when have they the same directions?
 
maria curie said:
yeah..I am confused...in the high school teachers said' friction's and motion's direction are always opposite to each other'
now ı know it is not true.all right, when have they the same directions?
Think about what you are saying. In your opinion that friction is in the same direction of (edit: sliding) motion, that would mean that friction would accelerate the (sliding) motion.

Look at the simple idea of rolling a ball across the floor. Assuming the ball doesn't hit anything, what slows the ball down?

Edit: Good point Doc.
 
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maria curie said:
yeah..I am confused...in the high school teachers said' friction's and motion's direction are always opposite to each other'
now ı know it is not true.all right, when have they the same directions?

Why is that not true? Friction in the case of walking and driving a car helps you to grip the ground. It doesn't mean it is not in the opposite direction of motion. Look at the contact point when a wheel is rolling without slipping. You'll see that the frictional force is acting in the opposite direction of the lateral motion of the wheel.

When is friction in the same direction as motion? When you put an object on a conveyor belt to move it from one location to another. If the object doesn't slip, you have the contact friction between the object and the belt that pushes the object forward.

Zz.
 
maria curie said:
yeah..I am confused...in the high school teachers said' friction's and motion's direction are always opposite to each other'
now ı know it is not true.all right, when have they the same directions?
What your teacher should have said is that friction always acts to oppose slipping between surfaces. It can certainly act in the direction of motion. A good example is the friction on the (nonslipping) tires of an accelerating car. Both friction and the car's acceleration have the same direction: forward.
 
Also remember that Newtonian physics requires balanced forces, so there will always be a force acting in the opposite direction of the motion(edit: when friction is involved)/acceleration. Ie, for a car (person running) accelerating to the right, the ground is being pushed to the left.
 
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Life wouldn't exist without friction, if you get right down to it. The earliest (non-plant) forms wouldn't have been able to propel themselves in order to obtain food.
 

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