How do you calculate the acceleration of a pendulum at a given angle?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the speed of a train based on the behavior of a pendulum swinging at an angle while the train rounds a curve. The subject area includes concepts from dynamics and circular motion.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the forces acting on the pendulum and the acceleration of the train. There are attempts to apply Newton's second law and analyze the forces involved, including gravitational and frictional forces.

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Some participants have proposed methods to calculate the speed of the train by analyzing the pendulum's angle and the forces acting on it. However, there is a lack of consensus on the correct approach, with guidance offered to reconsider the forces involved.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the coefficient of friction and how to incorporate the pendulum's angle into their calculations. There is also mention of the need to identify all forces acting on the pendulum mass.

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How long would a day be if the Earth were rotating so fast that objects at the equator had no weight?

I do Fcnet = m(v^2/r) --> mg = m(v^2/r) --> g = (v^2/r)

g = (v^2/r)
but g = 0 right? so then how do i do this problem? that would make v = 0 and ya...
 
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g is the acceleration due to gravity. Its value is independent of any spin of the Earth.
 
Janus said:
g is the acceleration due to gravity. Its value is independent of any spin of the Earth.
ok thanks. unfortunately the answer isn't given so idk if I am right until monday. i did:
g = (v^2)/r
9.8 = (v^2)/6.38e6
v =7907

40086722 (distance of Earth in m)/7907 = 5069 seconds
= 1.4 hours per day.

i have one more question and then I am done.

A train traveling at a constant speed rounds a curve of radius 275m. A pendulum suspende dfrom the ceiling swings out to an anglr of 17.5 throughot the turn. What is the speed of the train?

Fcnet = m(v^2/r)
Fk = m (v^2/r)
coeff of friction * mg = m(v^2/r)

i don't know the coefficient of friction or v. I am supposed to solve for v. am i not supposed to use friction as the force? and how do i factor the 17.5 degree swing fo the pendulum into this?

thanks a lot for the help
 
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Petrikovski said:
A train traveling at a constant speed rounds a curve of radius 275m. A pendulum suspende dfrom the ceiling swings out to an anglr of 17.5 throughot the turn. What is the speed of the train?

Fcnet = m(v^2/r)
Fk = m (v^2/r)
coeff of friction * mg = m(v^2/r)
i don't know the coefficient of friction or v. I am supposed to solve for v. am i not supposed to use friction as the force? and how do i factor the 17.5 degree swing fo the pendulum into this?
First figure out the acceleration of the train by analyzing the forces on the pendulum.
 
Doc Al said:
First figure out the acceleration of the train by analyzing the forces on the pendulum.
would this be correct then?
Fnet=ma
mg(cos17.5)=ma
9.8(cos17.5)=a
9.34=a

(v^2)/r = a
(v^2)/275 = 9.34
v^2 = 2568
v = 50.7 m/s
 
Petrikovski said:
would this be correct then?
Fnet=ma
mg(cos17.5)=ma
9.8(cos17.5)=a
9.34=a
No. Start by identifying the forces acting on the pendulum mass. (There are two forces.) Then apply Newton's 2nd law to the vertical and horizontal components.
 

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