Is Zn a group under addition modulo n?

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The discussion revolves around whether the set Zn of integers modulo n forms a group under addition modulo n. Participants explore the definition of a group, the necessary axioms, and the implications of closure, associativity, identity, and inverses in this context.

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  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the definition of a group and the relevance of closure in this context.
  • Another participant explains that closure is essential for a group, stating that if a and b are in the group, then a + b must also be in the group.
  • To show that Zn forms a group, it is suggested that participants must demonstrate closure, associativity, identity, and inverses for the set {0, 1, 2, ..., n-1} under addition modulo n.
  • There is a request for clarification on the terms "Zn of integers modulo n" and "addition modulo n," as well as how to find the elements of the set.
  • One participant provides an example using Z5 to illustrate closure and the concept of addition modulo n.
  • Associativity is discussed, with an example provided to differentiate it from non-associative operations like subtraction.
  • A distinction is made between Zn and Z_n, with a note that they represent different mathematical concepts.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the definitions and properties of groups, particularly in the context of Zn. There is no consensus on the clarity of the definitions or the implications of the axioms, indicating ongoing confusion and exploration.

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Participants have not fully resolved their understanding of the terms and concepts involved, particularly regarding the definitions of Zn and the operations under discussion. There are also unresolved questions about the implications of associativity and closure in this specific context.

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Hi,

Firstly I am not sure what a group is, after being given the 4 group axioms.

I'm not sure what relevance ''closure'' has ?


and my question is : how to show that for every natural number,n, the set Zn of integers modulo n forms a group under addition modulo n ?

I appreciate any guidance.

Thankyou very much.

Roger
 
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If you are going to look at groups as separate objects themselves, then "closure" under the group operation is essential. For example, if a and b are members of the group G but a+ b isn't then we are faced with the question of just what do we mean by "a+ b" if we are only talking about G!

To prove that any collection of things with a given operation is a group, you need to show that the definition of "group", usually given as a collection of "axioms", is satisfied.

To show that "Zn of integers modulo n forms a group under addition modulo n" you first have to decide what things are in that set (there are, in fact, a few different ways of looking at this). Assuming that you mean {0, 1, 2,..., n-1} then you must show:
I) Closure: that if m and n are both integers between 0 and n-1 then 0+ (n-1) (mod n) is also an integer between 0 and n-1.
II) Associativity: that (m+ n)+r= m+ (n+ r) (mod n)
(This is not just moving parentheses. The operation is defined on two objects at a time (m+n)+ r involves quite a different calculation than m+ (n+r).)
III) Identity: that there exist one member of the set, O, such that n+O= n for all n in the set.
IV) Inverse: that for any x in the set, there exist a y such that x+y= O.
 
thanks Hallsoivy,

I don't actually know what the terms ''Zn of integers modulo n'' and '' addition modulo n" mean ?

and I am not sure how to find the elements of the set ?

and what is the difference in calculation for associativity exactly ?

I) Closure: that if m and n are both integers between 0 and n-1 then 0+ (n-1) (mod n) is also an integer between 0 and n-1.

What do you mean by this ?
 
roger said:
thanks Hallsoivy,
I don't actually know what the terms ''Zn of integers modulo n'' and '' addition modulo n" mean ?
and I am not sure how to find the elements of the set ?
and what is the difference in calculation for associativity exactly ?
I) Closure: that if m and n are both integers between 0 and n-1 then 0+ (n-1) (mod n) is also an integer between 0 and n-1.
What do you mean by this ?

Then you do have a problem! The reason I asked about "deciding what things are in the set" is that there are a couple of different (but equivalent) ways of defining "Zn". The simplest is to take {0, 1, 2, ...,n-1} as the elements, then define "a+ b (mod) n" to be "the remainder when a+b is divided by n". For example, in Z5, the elements are {0, 1, 2, 3, 4}
4+ 4 (mod) 5 = 3 because 4+4= 8 and 8= 5+ 3. Notice that, although 8 is greater than 5, "8 (mod 5)" is one of {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5}. That's what we mean by "closure". We don't go outside the set we are looking at.

It should be clear that 0 is the group identity in Zn: n+ 0= n and since n is already less than n, you don't need to worry about the "mod" part.
What about "negatives" (additive inverse). If we were talking about Z5, 3+ 2= 5 which has remainder 0 when divided by 5 so 3+ 2= 0 (mod 5). What "x" gives 4+ x= 0 (mod 5)? (In other words, what x gives 4+ x= 5?)
Can you generalize that to any Zn?
 
Associativity comes down to this:

suppose we have some way of composing two elements of something we want to test for "groupiness", then there are two ways one can bracket the a priori undefined object fgh as (fg)h or f(gh) are the same so that the symbol fgh is unambiguous.

Example: additoin we all know that doing (2+3)+4 is the same as doing 2+(3+4)

Counter example: subtraction is not associative. We know that the symbol a-b-c is not strictly well defined in the sense that

(1-1)-1

and

1-(1-1)

give different answers.

The best way to show something is associative is to appeal to the fact that the objects you're composing are derived from some other group where we know associativty holds. In the case of mod n arithmetic we can use the fact that addition in the integers is associative (which is true by fiat) to conclude it passes down to associativity for Z_n

Note the subscript: it is important. Zn is striclty different from Z_n in a fundamental way in the standard usages of these terms. Zn is usually the set of (integer) multiples of n inside Z. This too is a group.
 

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