How do you prove the equivalence of ~(A & B) and ~A v ~B using basic rules?

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The discussion centers around proving DeMorgan's Laws, specifically the equivalence of ~(A & B) and ~A v ~B, using basic rules of inference. Participants explore various approaches and rules they have learned in their coursework.

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  • One participant requests help in proving DeMorgan's Laws using basic rules of inference.
  • Another participant notes that there are multiple sets of rules and proofs, asking if the inquiry is for homework or curiosity.
  • A participant expresses confusion over the rules they have learned, listing them and stating they feel lost on how to start the proof.
  • There is a suggestion to use conditional proof or reductio to derive the equivalence.
  • Participants discuss the implications of their assumptions and how to derive contradictions to prove the law.
  • One participant outlines steps for the proof, including assumptions and the use of simplification and modus ponens.
  • Another participant confirms understanding of the reductio approach and seeks further guidance on the next steps in the proof.
  • Participants refine their steps, ensuring proper nesting of assumptions and clarifying the use of reductio ad absurdum.
  • There is acknowledgment that the proof needs to address both directions of the equivalence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach of using reductio to prove the law, but there is no consensus on the complete proof process, as participants are still working through the steps and seeking clarification.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific rules of inference they have learned, but there is uncertainty regarding their application and the completeness of their understanding. The discussion reflects a reliance on these rules without resolving all mathematical steps or assumptions.

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Can someone tell me how to prove DeMorgan's Laws using the basic rules?

~(A & B) = ~A v ~B

Please help
 
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Welcome to PF, ranjha![/color][/size] :biggrin:

Well, there's more than one set of rules and more than one proof. Is this homework, or are you just curious? Do you have some rules in mind?
 
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Proof of DeMorgan's Law

This is homework...we are expected to know this. It's just that we have been taught a certain number of rules of inference. So the examples I have seen don't make sense to me. We have to know how to prove his Law by using the rules we have learned: Modus Ponens, Tollens, Simplification, Conjunction, Disjunction, Conjunctive and Disjunctive Arguments, Conditional Proofs, Chain Rule, Dilemmas, Reductio, Double Negation, Transposition, and Material Implication. These are the only ones we have learned so far and I am completely lost as to how to start. Please help.
 
ranjha said:
This is homework...we are expected to know this. It's just that we have been taught a certain number of rules of inference. So the examples I have seen don't make sense to me. We have to know how to prove his Law by using the rules we have learned: Modus Ponens, Tollens, Simplification, Conjunction, Disjunction, Conjunctive and Disjunctive Arguments, Conditional Proofs, Chain Rule, Dilemmas, Reductio, Double Negation, Transposition, and Material Implication. These are the only ones we have learned so far and I am completely lost as to how to start. Please help.
Well, you are given no premises, so you will have to use conditional proof or reductio, right?

Try (~A v ~B) => ~(A & B).

1) ~A v ~B [assumption]
2)) A & B [assumption -- for reductio]
3)) can you change (1) into an implication?

Oh, sorry, an implication is another name for a conditional: p -> q
 
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proof

ok:

1) ~A v ~B (assume)
2)) A & B (assume)
3)) A --> ~B (1 M Implication)

is this what you mean?? but where do I go from here?
 
ranjha said:
ok:
1) ~A v ~B (assume)
2)) A & B (assume)
3)) A --> ~B (1 M Implication)
is this what you mean?? but where do I go from here?
Yes, that's what I meant.
Do you understand why I made those assumptions? I want to prove

(~A v ~B) => ~(A & B)

So I assume (~A v ~B) and try to derive ~(A & B). I will try to derive ~(A & B) by assuming (A & B) and trying to derive a contradiction so that I can infer ~(A & B) by reductio. You just want to derive a contradiction -- (A & ~A) or (B & ~B). Use simplification and modus ponens.
 
proof

ok I kind of understand what you are trying to do. I get that you are going to use Reductio to prove the law. But can you please get me started? I don't know what the next step should be.

1) ~A v ~B (assume)
2)) A & B (assume)
3)) A --> ~B (1 M Implication)
4)) A (2 simplification)
5)) ~B (3,4 MP)
6)) B (2 simplification)
7)) B & ~B (5,6 Conjunction)
8)) ~B (7 RA)
9)) how would you go from here? and is this right so far?
 
ranjha said:
ok I kind of understand what you are trying to do. I get that you are going to use Reductio to prove the law. But can you please get me started? I don't know what the next step should be.
1) ~A v ~B (assume)
2)) A & B (assume)
3)) A --> ~B (1 M Implication)
4)) A (2 simplification)
5)) ~B (3,4 MP)
6)) B (2 simplification)
7)) B & ~B (5,6 Conjunction)
That's right, except that I forgot to nest the first assumption.

1)) ~A v ~B (assume)
2))) A & B (assume)
3))) A --> ~B (1 M Implication)
4))) A (2 simplification)
5))) ~B (3,4 MP)
6))) B (2 simplification)
7))) B & ~B (5,6 Conjunction)

(7) allows you to infer

8)) ~(A & B) [2-7, reductio ad absurdum]

Just apply conditional proof and you're done with this half. You still need to prove the other half of the equivalence:

~(A & B) => (~A v ~B)

How would you begin?
 

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